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2014/11/03 09:31:17 (permalink)

unchangeable keyboard shortcuts? Surely a bug ..

I found the 'do nothing' key binding to get rid of some of the killer keyboard shortcuts.  Surely there's a better way.   You forget for a moment where you are typing and sonar goes crazy with all the shortcut actions: ruining a good bit of work or at least confusing you for several minutes.  
 
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    Re: unchangeable keyboard shortcuts? Surely a bug .. 2014/11/03 09:58:26 (permalink)
    The only solution I know of is Cakewalk abandoning single key shortcuts entirely. IMO, using single key shortcuts was an unfortunate design decision made early in the development of Cakewalk products which has been continued far too long.
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    Re: unchangeable keyboard shortcuts? Surely a bug .. 2014/11/04 12:05:46 (permalink)
    I like single key 'key-binding' for some things, especially for the Save function. There is nothing easier than hitting the letter 'S' to save when your working on your projects.
     
    It would be ashame if they abandoned single key shortcuts for multiple key shortcuts as this defeats the shortcut. You can get to allot of things with 2 clicks in Sonar. so multiple key shortcuts will not be a 'shortcut' what your actually asking, indirectly, is getting rid of shortcuts altogether.
     
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    Re: unchangeable keyboard shortcuts? Surely a bug .. 2014/11/04 12:57:38 (permalink)
    I am only suggesting they not be the default. Single key bindings should be a decision made by the user. It could even be supplied as a kbn for legacy support.
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    Re: unchangeable keyboard shortcuts? Surely a bug .. 2014/11/06 20:53:17 (permalink)
    But but but...  no single key shortcuts = no "D" for multi-dock, "W" for rewind, "T" for edit filter, "P" for preferences, "K" for mute, "C" for control bar, "N" for snap disable, "Q" for quantize, etc, etc.    Some single key shortcuts I get - "O" for offset is one that comes up often enough.   But getting rid of them all by default?   Nah, not for me...
     

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    Re: unchangeable keyboard shortcuts? Surely a bug .. 2014/11/06 23:30:45 (permalink)
    Why not create your own key bindings. I thought that was a feature.

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    Re: unchangeable keyboard shortcuts? Surely a bug .. 2014/11/07 02:03:12 (permalink)
    How about "No single key shortcut should by default affect data", so no S for split, say? We could extend if to "No single key should by default confuse the user and generate problems on the forum" so there goes O for offset mode :-)
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    Re: unchangeable keyboard shortcuts? Surely a bug .. 2014/11/07 08:34:42 (permalink)
    To some of the replies: nothing wrong with WANTING a certain keystroke to do a certain thing.   But the number keys, for instance, go to 10 screensets 8 of which I never use, and you can't alter it.  You can not 'unbind' these defaults, that's my point.  Seems such a simple matter to fix in the programming of sonar.  
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    Re: unchangeable keyboard shortcuts? Surely a bug .. 2014/11/07 08:53:32 (permalink)
    I think the primes of this thread is odd.  Just every program I use has keyboard shortcuts. Many of them are single key types. I really don't understand the complaint. To me a program on Windows uses keyboard shortcuts. They always have. 
     
    Saying this because one is being sloppy with their key presses is reason to condemn the choice of the programmers baffles me. 
     
    I do know that CW thought long and hard on the key-bindings in the X series. Now we see a complaint for no other reason then fat fingers.  

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    Re: unchangeable keyboard shortcuts? Surely a bug .. 2014/11/07 20:24:59 (permalink)
    A daw is slightly different.  I find myself using (unfortunately) my left hand to operate the keyboard while the right is doing some other useful thing, like playing music.  And I don't always have adequate lighting on the keyboard.  I'd like to be able to turn off all bindings and only turn on the very few that I do want to use.
     

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    Re: unchangeable keyboard shortcuts? Surely a bug .. 2014/11/08 09:49:01 (permalink)
    I LOVE single key bindings. I have made a pretty extensive custom keyboard shortcut layout that is an absolute essential for me. I would be lost without these.

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    Re: unchangeable keyboard shortcuts? Surely a bug .. 2014/11/08 11:06:27 (permalink)
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    To some of the replies: nothing wrong with WANTING a certain keystroke to do a certain thing.   But the number keys, for instance, go to 10 screensets 8 of which I never use, and you can't alter it.  You can not 'unbind' these defaults, that's my point.

     
    That is wrong, assuming you have X3. You can bind them to None, in which case the keys will do nothing, or bind them to something else...whatever you want. And after doing that, you can export the key bindings as a custom preset. If you don't believe me, check out the Digital Performer keyboard shortcut preset - keys 1-4 aren't mapped to screensets, but to the 1-4 mappings in DP.
     
    I don't understand why people think they can't change the key bindings however they want. I don't understand why they don't export a custom set of key bindings, modify it over time, and export after each modification.
     
    Can someone enlighten me as to the source for this? Is it an 8.5 issue and I'm wrong in assuming the discussion concerns the X-series?
     
    I also don't understand the thread title. A bug is something that does not perform as advertised. What about keyboard bindings doesn't work? It seems to me they work as intended.

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    Re: unchangeable keyboard shortcuts? Surely a bug .. 2014/11/08 16:03:45 (permalink)
    There is (was) a bug where binding more than a certain number of keys to 'Do Nothing' would crash SONAR, which was somewhat irritating.
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    Re: unchangeable keyboard shortcuts? Surely a bug .. 2014/11/08 16:12:14 (permalink)
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    There is (was) a bug where binding more than a certain number of keys to 'Do Nothing' would crash SONAR, which was somewhat irritating.



    Thanks for the explanation, that would indeed be a bug. I guess I've just never run into that limit.

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    Re: unchangeable keyboard shortcuts? Surely a bug .. 2014/11/08 16:17:17 (permalink)
    FWIW - I just tried creating a custom keyboard binding set that assigned all the single-key commands to none, and was able to export/import it.

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    Re: unchangeable keyboard shortcuts? Surely a bug .. 2014/11/08 20:02:07 (permalink)
    Default key-bindings, (singular or multiple keys) are just factory default settings.
    Personally no matter how long I look at key shortcuts Help file it seems non-intuitive to me. Whether others agree with me or not is besides the point. The real point here is that key-bindings are supposed to be user definable. as ampfixer stated...
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    Why not create your own key bindings. I thought that was a feature.

     
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    To some of the replies: nothing wrong with WANTING a certain keystroke to do a certain thing.   But the number keys, for instance, go to 10 screensets 8 of which I never use, and you can't alter it.  You can not 'unbind' these defaults, that's my point.  Seems such a simple matter to fix in the programming of sonar.

    I think one thing that confuses people is, bindings that a factory default settings like (screen sets) if changed to a new binding of user choice and then  unbound revert back to default binding  
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    I don't understand why people think they can't change the key bindings however they want. I don't understand why they don't export a custom set of key bindings, modify it over time, and export after each modification.

    Can someone enlighten me as to the source for this? Is it an 8.5 issue and I'm wrong in assuming the discussion concerns the X-series?

     
    I had no problems with bindings pre X series, as I think back 6, 8, 8.5 were fine and as I strain my  pre-frontal cortex I fail to recall binding issues with Pro Audio 8 and 9.
    However, below are some of the inconstancy I'm currently dealing with.
     
    1) Lost bindings.
    As far back as I can remember I've used...
    [ = Bounce to track
    ] = Export Audio
    \ = Import Audio
    Recently ( [ = Bounce to track ) started working intermittently,
    So, I explored... Preferences/Keyboard Shortcuts/Locate key, and (Assigned to) states (Unassigned) as I said it works intermittently, if the binding is lost I don’t see how it can work at all.
     
    In an attempted to delete/redo binding and with (Area) set to Global Bindings.  I firstly wrote “bounce to track” in the search field but bounce to track was not a listed option. How I obtained this binding in the first place is a mystery. I don't recall if I imported the KBN file from my old computer, but I think not. 
     
    2) key bindings that aren't in the list and therefore are impossible to change like...
    ProChannel Shift+I = Clip
    ProChannel Shift+Ctrl+I = Track
    ProChannel Ctrl+I = ProChannel
    Configurations and option settings
    Split clip at now time
     
    3) Split for a short while appeared in the Search list
    Not sure off hand when (Split clip at now time) was locked to key “S” but all of a sudden it appeared in Keyboard Shortcuts Search list along with (Split Clip)... that brings up a menu box.
     
    Thinking to myself it was a change in X3 that I had missed I bound them to a numkey as most of my bindings are, but now they have disappeared from the search area again and Assigned to: states (Unassigned) but they still work as hotkeys and split track clips.
     
    So I'm assuming these options like (split) are therefore still available in the registry, but that’s a dark foreboding place that bender and I fear to tread. 
     
    Inconsequentially as it is, I'm a left hand mouse user, so that’s why some people think my user selected key-bindings numkeys  seem quirky.
     
    I'll leave it at that for now, this post is long enough... Peace
     
     
    post edited by BENT - 2014/11/08 20:34:02

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    Re: unchangeable keyboard shortcuts? Surely a bug .. 2014/11/13 15:36:25 (permalink)
    One thing that has messed with me for a few years now is losing keybindings, or so I thought.  I did in fact import old keybindings that I thought were not listed in the new versions of Sonar, and they still worked,  So I kept that set up for a while BUT HERE IS THE KICKER, Global keybindings are not All keybindings, they DON'T list all the key bindings. I think they called them Global for a reason such as, you can use them all over the Globe.  But most peoples logic would think you could find all the keybinding in something Global.
     
    Anyway,  My favorite is bounce to clips or bounce to tracks and they are not in the Global, but they do exist.  They are in the Track section of the keybinding menu.  
     
    So go look in all the sections in the keybinding menu and find your lost keybinding or some you never knew existed.

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    Re: unchangeable keyboard shortcuts? Surely a bug .. 2014/11/13 19:51:22 (permalink)
    Thank! You! Frank!
    That was the missing link, I'll sleep well tonight 

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