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Sidechaining in X1 Essential. Myth Or Magic?
I have had X1 for a couple of years now. (since just before they announced X2  ) But now I am formalizing what I do an I am currently studying sound engineering. There my problems begin. Sidechaining in logic (Belezebub) Is a really easy affair It is a nice DAW though I still prefer Sonar because of its ease of use in general. But I need to be able to sidechain and that is proving difficult so far. I have read all the bumf online watched a few vids but nothing works. I have VSTs that I know are capable of sidechaining but how ever I try i can not make the send see the gate or compressor. So my question is.... Is it even possible in essential and if so how can i do this? Steve AMD FX4100 3.6ghz 6gb 1.6ghz ddr3 ram E-Mu 0404 sound card Asus mainboard windows 7 X64
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Re: Sidechaining in X1 Essential. Myth Or Magic?
2014/11/10 16:51:08
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Whoa! I don't know what was included in X1 Essential. I do know that Studio and Producer will support sidechaining.  Sidechaining SONAR supports multi-input plug-ins, which are typically sidechain plug-ins that have two inputs: a primary input and a sidechain input. When SONAR detects such a plug-in in an effects bin, a virtual output port is created for each extra input exposed by the plug-in. Audio track, Bus and Send outputs can be routed to sidechain inputs. Sidechaining is typically used with compressors to limit one signal depending on the signal level of another. Common applications are to reduce the level of a bass guitar when there is a kick drum, or to reduce the level of music whenever a speaker talks (often used for background music in radioand television programs). There are of course many more applications that are not mentioned here. SONAR includes the following plug-ins that support sidechaining: • Sonitus Compressor • Sonitus Gate In addition, ProChannel (Producer only) supports sidechaining when using the PC4K S-Type Bus Compressor mode. For details, see “ProChannel (Producer and Studio only)” on page 999.
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Re: Sidechaining in X1 Essential. Myth Or Magic?
2014/11/10 17:00:36
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I should mention that the above post is from Sonar X3.
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Re: Sidechaining in X1 Essential. Myth Or Magic?
2014/11/10 17:25:41
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Re: Sidechaining in X1 Essential. Myth Or Magic?
2014/11/10 17:43:25
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Yeah. I have seen that before. It's not much different from Sonar 8. It does seem to indicate that it is possible in essential. As it says:
"In addition, ProChannel (Producer only) supports sidechaining when using the PC4K S-Type Bus
Compressor mode. For details, see “ProChannel (Producer and Studio only)” on page 999."
If it isn't possible I must admit I would be disappointed again. Same as when I had to buy the MP3 encoder.
It's all the extras you have to buy. I will have to think about either upgrading or getting a DAW with that ability thats more mainstream in a studio.
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Re: Sidechaining in X1 Essential. Myth Or Magic?
2014/11/10 17:50:46
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Ok. Thanks. but I am still none the wiser. I have tried exactly that. No plugin shows as available even though I know they have that ability. Unless its some kind of rewire?
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Re: Sidechaining in X1 Essential. Myth Or Magic?
2014/11/10 18:13:04
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What sidechainable plug-ins have you tried that don't work in X1 Essential? It sure seems (based on the post referenced by scook) that it supports sidechaining.
As to "extras," Cakewalk offers different levels of programs at different price points, and entry-level versions like Essentials have fewer extras. For example, there were some people on this forum who had already tricked out X2 with Melodyne and Addictive Drums, and had all the plug-ins they needed...so they upgraded to X3 Studio instead of Producer and saved some money.
IIRC the reason the MP3 encoder costs extra is because of licensing. There are so many ways to convert files to MP3 format these days for free, it's understandable that most users would not want to have part of their purchase price go for something they don't want or need.
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Re: Sidechaining in X1 Essential. Myth Or Magic?
2014/11/10 18:17:40
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I wouldn't have minded if it was included in the price (IE. it cost the extra in the first place) but thats beside the point. I have blue tubes that the VST says in the settings that it has the inputs
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Re: Sidechaining in X1 Essential. Myth Or Magic?
2014/11/10 18:20:51
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There were some updates in X1a WRT sidechain. Hopefully the installation is patched at least to X1a although X1d would be better.
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Re: Sidechaining in X1 Essential. Myth Or Magic?
2014/11/10 18:33:35
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steverobbins
Ok. Thanks. but I am still none the wiser. I have tried exactly that. No plugin shows as available even though I know they have that ability. Unless its some kind of rewire?
Please understand a few things. First I can't tell you anything about Sonar Essential because I know nothing about it. Also its an old product. At present the equivalent is Sonar X3 and few of us have it. What most users have is either the Studio or Producer package. I do know as a matter of fact that Sonar Producer supports sidechaining because I have implemented it in a project. I can't say this about the entry level product. I suspect it does though. It is very dependent on the plugin used. Not all plugins support it and cannot be sidechained. There are more now than in the post that do. You need to list which plugin you are using to sidechain. It could be it wont allow it. Or it could be user error. Notice I say plugin not VST or DX because both are fully support by Sonar.
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Re: Sidechaining in X1 Essential. Myth Or Magic?
2014/11/10 18:37:50
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OK thanks. I'll keep digging. It could be myself or a setting that's out. lol. I have a feelign we could be chatting all night. i`ll look at the plugins documentation. I thought it was just ST's that had the ability. But I know better now. Thanks again 
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Re: Sidechaining in X1 Essential. Myth Or Magic?
2014/11/10 18:55:24
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You are very welcome. I hope we can get this solved for you.
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Re: Sidechaining in X1 Essential. Myth Or Magic?
2014/11/10 19:18:29
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Re: Sidechaining in X1 Essential. Myth Or Magic?
2014/11/10 19:29:32
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Re: Sidechaining in X1 Essential. Myth Or Magic?
2014/11/10 20:15:52
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steverobbins I wouldn't have minded if it was included in the price (IE. it cost the extra in the first place) but thats beside the point. Well actually that is the point, if it's included in the price than something else is NOT being included in order to pay for it. I still think most people have no need for the MP3 encoder and would therefore would rather have their money go toward something they can use. Let Microsoft of Apple pay the royalty as part of their OS for people who want to convert to MP3.
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Re: Sidechaining in X1 Essential. Myth Or Magic?
2014/11/30 21:29:53
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Finally a solution. This worked for me. I found an obscure text in the help files. But apparently (with the cakewalk generic compressor/gate) the left channel drives the side chain to affect the right channel. that is then kicked out in mono panned center.
Send the driver signal to a bus panned hard left. Send the channel to be affected to the same bus panned hard right. I sent it direct rather than used an aux send by changing the output to the bus and having the bus going to the master bus. This attenuated the signal I wanted to affect in all the right places.
I hope this helps someone else in the future.
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Re: Sidechaining in X1 Essential. Myth Or Magic?
2014/12/01 04:29:19
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steverobbins
...the left channel drives the side chain to affect the right channel. that is then kicked out in mono panned center.
Send the driver signal to a bus panned hard left. Send the channel to be affected to the same bus panned hard right...
So I guess that any stereo FX plugin can be used for sidechaining in this way. Great idea.
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Re: Sidechaining in X1 Essential. Myth Or Magic?
2014/12/01 05:25:44
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steverobbins
Finally a solution. This worked for me. I found an obscure text in the help files. But apparently (with the cakewalk generic compressor/gate) the left channel drives the side chain to affect the right channel. that is then kicked out in mono panned center.
Send the driver signal to a bus panned hard left. Send the channel to be affected to the same bus panned hard right. I sent it direct rather than used an aux send by changing the output to the bus and having the bus going to the master bus. This attenuated the signal I wanted to affect in all the right places.
I hope this helps someone else in the future.
Too much hassle. Did you missed the Waves giveaway (OneKnob Pumper)? If you did, then check this plugin: TAL Filter 2 Free plugin, just drop the .dll file in your plugin folder, choose volume as modulation type, adjust BPM Factor, and draw your sidechaining curve. Easy as cheesy  . EDIT: woops, link didn't show up, google it. EDIT²: You still can get Waves OneKnob Pumper for free this Cyber Monday! Hurry!
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