Come On Over - Mid Mix

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2014/11/12 23:56:06 (permalink)

Come On Over - Mid Mix

Hey All,
 
Really need your ears and your monitors on this one...it's a bit of a challenge for me - I feel like the song is so good that it's actually beyond my mixing skills.
 
Would love your very helpful responses on what sticks out in a bad mix kind of way. :) Oh, and if you like the song - feel free to offer that too.
UPDATED MIX - AGAIN:
https://soundcloud.com/jo...ome-on-over-final-mix4
 
OLDER MIX 
https://soundcloud.com/joshua-barnes/come-on-over-mid-mix-3
 
 
post edited by ruralrocker2010 - 2014/11/16 18:34:18

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    kakku
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    Re: Come On Over - Mid Mix 2014/11/14 18:04:16 (permalink)
    I found no fault in the mix, sounded balanced on my headphones. The song is great and very good performances too.
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    Re: Come On Over - Mid Mix 2014/11/14 19:04:58 (permalink)
    I agree, you've got a great song there. To my ears the bass has too much presence in the bottom end, like it was being mixed for a club dance track, not a rock song. There is a real thump happening every time the bass hits a note and it becomes distracting after a while. Try a high passing it a little more, or a bit less compression, if that's what you're using. This might also help with the way the bass sits with the kick drum.
    There might be some other things that need fixing but I would really like to hear it again with the bass remixed.

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    Re: Come On Over - Mid Mix 2014/11/14 21:05:13 (permalink)
    I'll only dig-deep on the mix and not the tune itself.
     
    FYSA I am listening on KRK monitors w/sub
     
    I'd like the hear the chorus bvox spread out it bit more as all the vox seem to sit in the middle of the mix.
    Keys should come up some in and round 1:40ish
    The toms (2:26 and at the end of the tune) sound a bit rumbly...sound more like a mic'ing issue then an EQ issue
    @3:00 I feel the wheels kinda start to fall off from a production standpoint (but thats not a mix issue)
    Again at the end where you have the bvox working with the main vox (love the concept but not in its current form) I'd like the hear the bvox move up in the mix and panned away from the middle of the mix where it seems to sit atop the main vox.
     
    very catchy tune and fun tune to listen to....
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    Re: Come On Over - Mid Mix 2014/11/14 21:14:10 (permalink)
    This is a nice catchy pop number with a great melody and vocals.  The only thing that I noticed is that it really seemed a bit heavy on the bass side.  It sounded a bit rumbly on the low end but that might just be the lousy equipment that I am using. 
    Nice one.
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    Re: Come On Over - Mid Mix 2014/11/15 09:35:55 (permalink)
    kakku - thank you.
     
    Rebel - I actually bumped the bass, and it doesn't sound annoying to me, but I'm taking your advice because it's be consistent amongst a number of people.
     
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    I'd like the hear the chorus bvox spread out it bit more as all the vox seem to sit in the middle of the mix.
    Keys should come up some in and round 1:40ish
    The toms (2:26 and at the end of the tune) sound a bit rumbly...sound more like a mic'ing issue then an EQ issue
    @3:00 I feel the wheels kinda start to fall off from a production standpoint (but thats not a mix issue)
    Again at the end where you have the bvox working with the main vox (love the concept but not in its current form) I'd like the hear the bvox move up in the mix and panned away from the middle of the mix where it seems to sit atop the main vox.
     
    - They were hardpanned and they are double tracked, so they should feel spread...but somehow they don't. If I hard pan them, then bus them, does that negate the panning? Or should you insert a bus and pan the bus?
     
    Toms rumbly - this is my first time micing a drum set for a recording...no doubt I did it wrong. I can explain what I did though. I used the Glyn Jon technique with two mics and essentially used them as overheads (not a matched pair). Then I mic'd each drum, with a hard attack angle pointed at the tom head, so, NOT accross the tom, mostly down at the skin - they seemed less overly resonant that way.
     
    3min Why do the wheels fall off?

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    Re: Come On Over - Mid Mix 2014/11/15 12:06:36 (permalink)
    Listening on the Adams my furry ears, which should be interpreted as purely my perspective and not necessarily right, tell me it is way to much bass/weight, the snare appears to have no snap and there is this strange rumble around 1:19 is that supposed to be a run around the toms?
     
    You appear to have a good tune that needs some mix refinement, thanks for sharing.

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    Re: Come On Over - Mid Mix 2014/11/15 13:53:34 (permalink)
    it's supposed to be a hit with the chords, triplet, hit, then a triplet roll on the floor tom. I admit, the mics didn't capture it the way I hear it. The overheads are providing the "thinning" snappy quality to it - the tom mics are more ballsy and thunderous. But - they occupy alot of space. I'm just not sure what to do.

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    Re: Come On Over - Mid Mix 2014/11/15 17:01:12 (permalink)
    So, opposite of my buddy The Pogue, I'll comment on the song and not the mix.  he has a great handle on those things.  I DO like the song and feel that a different mix might make it even better.  Really well put together.  If I had to say something about the mix I'd say it seems "thin".  However, don't ask me what that means it's just something I hear.  Really is good work, Josh.

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    Re: Come On Over - Mid Mix 2014/11/15 17:02:26 (permalink)
    thanks PUG!!!
     
    This is my first song ever with live drums - I think I need about 20 or 30 more before they sound amazing.

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    Re: Come On Over - Mid Mix 2014/11/15 17:11:17 (permalink)
    I'm sure you'll get there.  Live drums are a real skill, playing them and recording them.  So many different sounds to get recorded just right and then mixed.  I give you credit.

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    Re: Come On Over - Mid Mix 2014/11/15 17:41:05 (permalink)
    Production comments -
     
    Please keep in mind production thoughts are like food....its all totally subjective so take it all w/a grain.
     
    2:54 is a great tension release point but rather than ramping aback up, at 3:04 if further slows down the train having me waiting for something to happen...which is not a good thing IMHO. I would have liked to hear that release point kick back in w/o further stretching out that (slower) section. When you do kick back in your vox is strained on the high notes... I noticed that in other parts of the tune but in this section, which you took (too) long to set up has my full attention and the strain sticks out....but a re do is an easy fix and I would make that happen (vox wise). On the outro you chose to once again slow it down to end the tune (sloppily which works on some tunes but didnt work for me here). I would have just replayed the end (starting a 3:18) part over and over and just faded.
     
    Simply stated the strength of this tune it's melodic catchyness and the ending doesn't play to that strength and in fact steals from it. Still all and all a very cool song.
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    Re: Come On Over - Mid Mix 2014/11/15 19:14:52 (permalink)
    pogue, I love comments like yours because they really challenge my ears. Are you into google+ hangouts? I'd love to chat with you and others - if you're willing. We could even record it and have people review it for a value...

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    Re: Come On Over - Mid Mix 2014/11/15 20:05:38 (permalink)
    I've remixed those toms...maybe the part just doesn't work with the resources I have...I don't know. That bugs me.

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    Re: Come On Over - Mid Mix 2014/11/15 23:38:41 (permalink)
    Sorry Joshua....not really down with that due to time restraints...to do it right it really takes loads of time which any spare music time I more or less dedicate to DT tunes and a few other side gigs......so sorry to say my plate is full
     
     
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    Re: Come On Over - Mid Mix 2014/11/16 18:43:02 (permalink)
    all good -  completely understand.

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    Re: Come On Over - Mid Mix 2014/11/18 13:05:18 (permalink)
    This is a much much better mix though I still think the toms have a tad to much rumble a little high pass rolling them off bellow 100hz would help.  Just my furry eared opinion. 

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