Mychael628
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Sonar X3 developing crackles on projects
I have a project nearly complete in X3 producer. It is now developing crackles that almost sound like static. This happened to me once before and I was forced to dump the project because it became so bad.
I fear the same is starting to happen on this project as well. I've produced well over 100 projects in X 3 and just began experiencing this problem in the last month or so..
Does anyone have any experience with this and how to get around this annoying and DESTRUCTIVE problem ?
Michael
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Re: Sonar X3 developing crackles on projects
2014/11/14 06:02:18
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Two things cause this that I know of. DPC latency spikes and running out of CPU time.
Latency spikes are cause by things like WiFi adapters, there are plenty of threads around here that say how to fix/troubleshoot this.
As your mix progresses and you add more and more FX and softsynths with their quality settings set to max you can start running out of time to process it all. The cure is to increase the audio buffers. This will give longer latency times, but if you're in the mixdown stage it really doesn't matter if you have 5 seconds of latency (other than the 5 second delay when you press the play button).
Another option is to freeze tracks you're happy with to free up CPU time. You can always unfreeze later if you need to make changes.
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Re: Sonar X3 developing crackles on projects
2014/11/14 06:55:19
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DPC Latency is a big cause. CPU Throttling can cause the DPC Latency (among others).
I have a fast/clean PC and no issues with DPC Latency Checker but when I record I disable the Network connection (take it off line). I forgot to take it off line one time and developed clicks and static in a recording. Taking it off line eliminated the clicks and static.
There are many other potential causes.
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Mychael628
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Re: Sonar X3 developing crackles on projects
2014/11/14 07:21:56
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Thanks for the input. First, unfortunately I have no idea what DPC latency stands for. I have followed a lot of steps from the forums and nothing is working at this time.
I'll take her offline, increase the audio buffers and freeze the synths I'm happy with.
Thanks for the suggestions. Wish me luck. It's driving me crazy.
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Mychael628
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Re: Sonar X3 developing crackles on projects
2014/11/14 08:03:31
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Well freezing some synths seemed to be the solution. (I hope)  This is one of the more synth heavy projects I've done, so I'm hoping this sticks. I also upped the audio buffers and it seems to be holding. Thanks for the suggestions.
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Re: Sonar X3 developing crackles on projects
2014/11/14 08:03:52
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DPC Latency in a nutshell. (A simplistic explanation)
Your CPU is constantly processing lots of requests, not just from Sonar, but everything else in Windows as well. Occasionally a process will momentarily grab exclusive control of the CPU, or force it to stop everything it is doing and wait a short time for something to happen. This may only be for 1ms (1/1000th of a second) or less, but in terms of Sonar that is 48 audio samples (at 48k sample rate) so if you're running an ultra low 96 sample buffer to get great response you just lost half of your available processing time in one go!
If the sample buffer ever empties it stops feeding data to your audio interface and you get dropouts. If it's constantly running near empty you get lots of short dropouts, ie, crackling.
The short term fix, increase buffer size.
The long term fix, find what is grabbing the CPU and stop it... (It is usually WiFi adapters)
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Re: Sonar X3 developing crackles on projects
2014/11/14 08:06:00
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Glad you got it sorted Michael, if freezing synths cured it, it simply means you need a faster computer to run everything "live".
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Mychael628
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Re: Sonar X3 developing crackles on projects
2014/11/14 08:11:59
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Thanks again Karyn .... I'll look into WIFI adapters, but I don't use this machine wirelessly ever. And thank you for the definition (works for me)
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Re: Sonar X3 developing crackles on projects
2014/11/14 08:59:11
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Can you verify you have an XPS 750? Dell does not list a 750. The highest it goes is 730.
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Re: Sonar X3 developing crackles on projects
2014/11/14 10:23:02
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Mychael628
Thanks again Karyn .... I'll look into WIFI adapters, but I don't use this machine wirelessly ever. And thank you for the definition (works for me)
It doesn't matter if you're actually using the wi-fi or not, it's whether or not its driver is enabled. A quick trip to Device Manager to disable devices you're not using (e.g., on-board camera, HD audio driver from your graphics card, etc.) can help. Don't uninstall the devices, just disable them. Also check out this tip, it can make a very big difference depending on your machine and graphics card.
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Re: Sonar X3 developing crackles on projects
2014/11/14 14:40:05
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HI Craig ...just read your article (again) ...following the advice to disable "other" audio devices ...(in this case, NVIDIA HiDef Audio & VIA HiDef audio) on my ASUS G55V laptop.
The identical situation occurs here also ...in random fashion... so far no definite pattern to the problem.
We're a busy studio for hire ... far more projects are completed with no problems than those with these audio problems... (btw: I have reported these here including one you commented on ...your advice was followed)
1.
...projects typically consist of :
Addictive Drums 2
3 - 5 recorded guitar tracks ...mostly mono tracks
1 bass track (mono)
3-5 vocals (all mono)
>>>OR>>>
2.
(the most recent project I finished contained )
8 instances of Komplete Kontrol
Addictive Drums 2
Z3ta+
Auria Mini
NO VOCAL
The project most likely to display audio "problems" are guitar as in ex 1.
Our last exchange on this dealt with a low "buzz"... it's not a 60 cycle hum, btw
I have written Focusrite about this ... there are several topics describing similar circumstance on MAC ...nothing for PC.
Since the problem is random (on the order of 1 in 40 ~) ...I have not catalogued common elements to accurately reveal what may be causing this...
I move ahead with things in the while ..because paychecks happen when I do!
As per our last exchange, I've more or less eliminated software as the likely culprit ...
However ...the situation only occurs when using SONAR X3e...
Projects that will experience problems always start up with a noticeable "POP"... that's the only detail I've found so far that is common to all "problem" projects
In addition ...after "LOTS" of playback whilst refining a mix ...the audio engine will stop ... (as you suggested long ago ...I just wait for it all to "catch up"... sure enough ... I go away for 2 minutes ...SONAR displays the audio dropout dialogue ... I restart the audio engine and we're good to go ...sometimes for the rest of a workday (8-12 hours)
SONAR and the ASUS G55V get a real workout ...almost every day.
Mostly ...things go very smoothly ...and satisfactory to clients...
The OP mentioned "crackles and pops" ...which caught my attention as I've devoted a couple hours today to research this situation and find cures....
If nothing else has been learned here ... we've found that patience and careful attention to workflow has always revealed a cure for most problems ...I suspect this problem to be 85% hardware and 15% SONAR...
I should also mention my dedication to Cakewalk SONAR (Pro Audio, and future evolutions) ...and my appreciation for your sharing so much with so many... can we have a PAIA project to build a better iPad?
hahahhahahahaha...
Thanks to All for this helpful thread.
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Re: Sonar X3 developing crackles on projects
2014/11/28 18:37:10
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I have had similar problems. I have created many projects, and, every once in a while, I run into constant snap crackle and pops. I do not know why it happens on some projects, and not on others. I just had one today and solved it by changing the mixing latency setting to complete left - "Fast" on the preferences menu under driver settings. This solved the problem.
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Re: Sonar X3 developing crackles on projects
2014/11/28 20:51:32
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The OP never mentioned in his specs which audio interface they were using?? Crackles and pops are not only DPCL related. Drivers can also cause havoc.. MME mode or the wrong ASIO drivers as example. Everyone should check their system with a DPCLAT utility. I'm surprised it is not as well documented in the instructions. For windows 7 this handy free utility works fine: http://www.thesycon.de/deu/latency_check.shtml This one is more involved and works for W 7 and W 8 http://www.resplendence.com/latencymon
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Re: Sonar X3 developing crackles on projects
2014/11/29 11:47:05
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Wisdom is a giant accumulation of "DOH!" Sonar: Platinum (x64), X3 (x64) Audio Interfaces: AudioBox 1818VSL, Steinberg UR-22 Computers: 1) i7-2600 k, 32 GB RAM, Windows 8.1 Pro x64 & 2) AMD A-10 7850 32 GB RAM Windows 10 Pro x64 Soft Synths: NI Komplete 8 Ultimate, Arturia V Collection, many others MIDI Controllers: M-Audio Axiom Pro 61, Keystation 88es Settings: 24-Bit, Sample Rate 48k, ASIO Buffer Size 128, Total Round Trip Latency 9.7 ms
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Re: Sonar X3 developing crackles on projects
2014/11/29 12:16:28
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If it's only 1 project that has this prob & your other projects are ok....(I had this once). I saved the project in a new folder, somewhere else under a different name....and saved it as a bundle so the audio is also saved in the new folder.......that fixed it for me... good luck
post edited by Wouter Schijns - 2014/11/29 13:32:51
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Re: Sonar X3 developing crackles on projects
2014/12/01 11:56:34
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OP, I get this problem as well, with some degree of frequency. I can see the usage on the first CPU core goes up into the redline when it happens. Usually I can clear it up by bypassing the effects bin on the main-buss, disabling/re-enabling, or deleting and re-inserting a synth. http://axiology.bandcamp.com
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Re: Sonar X3 developing crackles on projects
2014/12/01 13:21:57
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Karyn
Glad you got it sorted Michael, if freezing synths cured it, it simply means you need a faster computer to run everything "live".
^^^ this
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