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Controlling TH2's Wah with breath controller, just not happening
I can't seem to get the wah to respond to Breath Contraller (CC2). I have set it under midi bindings in preferences, but nothing. I have tried using ACT, but nothing. It's hard using act with my Midi Sax, as it send note on, Pitch Bend and breath control messages all at the same time. So I set up the midi channel, recorded a blast and edited out the event list to just be CC2, but ACT still doesn't respond. The Midi preferences should be foolproof though, am I that bad a fool?
Any sugestions?
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Re: Controlling TH2's Wah with breath controller, just not happening
2014/11/20 01:30:55
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Make sure to "Enable MIDI Input" in the VST2 drop down at the top of the TH2 UI. Then one way to control the wah would be to add a MIDI track with input set to the controller and output set to TH2. Setup Wah pedel MIDI bindings in TH2 for the appropriate CC.
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Re: Controlling TH2's Wah with breath controller, just not happening
2014/11/20 02:08:16
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Thanks, I had missed that, but still not responding unfortunately.
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Re: Controlling TH2's Wah with breath controller, just not happening
2014/11/20 02:43:34
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Just in case it's relevant, this is on a synth track, not an guitar. I am playing the Lounge Lizard, and when I choose say frequency on the phaser effect, the frequency is responding to breath controller CC2. Does having a synth in front of the TH2 cause an issue. I can't think why it would, but just wondering.
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Re: Controlling TH2's Wah with breath controller, just not happening
2014/11/20 02:47:43
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Nah, created new project, inserted audio track, added TH2, enabled Midi, checked Midi bindings, blew, nothing.
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Re: Controlling TH2's Wah with breath controller, just not happening
2014/11/20 02:57:18
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When testing on the audio track, you still need a MIDI track to route the controller data to TH2. I don't know what this Scoot
Does having a synth in front of the TH2 cause an issue.
means. Synths typically do not go in the FX bins. Regardless TH2 will need a dedicated MIDI track to handle routing data from the controller to the plug-in.
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Re: Controlling TH2's Wah with breath controller, just not happening
2014/11/20 03:54:55
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Synth is not in the bin, it's on the track.
Insert Soft Synth > VST2> Lounge Lizard EP-3 ('Simple Instrument Track' box checked)
FX Bin -Audio FX> VST2> TH2 Producer
VST2 (menu)> Enable Midi Input
Preferences> Wah Pedal = CC2 (Breath Controller)Add Wah (Crying)
No reaction from way to breath controler, but Lounge lizard plays. Wouldn't the fx in the bin use the same midi track that is playing the Lizard, as they are both on the same track?
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Re: Controlling TH2's Wah with breath controller, just not happening
2014/11/20 03:59:07
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Created folder > added midi trac and Instrument track to this.
Checked Midi Input> set to Quad Capture - omni (Breath controller is plugged into the)
Checked Midi out, only Quad capture, Microsoft GS Wavetable Synth, Lounge Lizard and Drum maps show. No way to select TH2
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Re: Controlling TH2's Wah with breath controller, just not happening
2014/11/20 04:54:14
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So my Wind Controller as a mod wheel that sends data without me have to blow and trigger 3 sets of of data. It assignable to just a few things, and setting these was designed by a three armed Japanese guy. So I assigned this to CC74. When I try to use ACT with this on various plug ins nothing happens (despite midi being registered as received). When I use a Midi learn function built into Lounge Lizard, controller74 does the job. Set Wah to CC74 and again nothing.
So is it Plug in FX that are not responding or just TH2. I had a look through various other plug in VSTs FX, but I can't see any othere with a assignable midi function that doesn't use ACT (which does not seem to work on anything with this controller data)
Any suggestions for VST effects with a Midi Learn
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Re: Controlling TH2's Wah with breath controller, just not happening
2014/11/20 11:20:51
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Tested it before posting. I did not use ACT, do not have ACT setup for anything because there is no control surface setup on this PC. The process without a control surface and ACT is: - Add a synth to a new project.
- Add TH2 to the synth FX bin and add a Wah pedel to the signal path in TH2
- In the standard VST header on top of the TH2 UI, select "Enable MIDI Input" from the VST2 drop down (this should add TH2 to the synth rack)
- Add a MIDI track, set the input to the source of the CC data, TH2 should be available as an output target
- Open Preferences > MIDI Bindings in the TH2 UI and click on the "Wah pedal" learn button
- Send CC data.
The CC data should show in the MIDI track. The CC events should cause the MIDI Bindings Wah pedel to learn the correct values and the Wah pedal should move. With slight changes in where the MIDI learn feature is located on the plug-in, all plug-ins with MIDI learn can work this way.
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Re: Controlling TH2's Wah with breath controller, just not happening
2014/11/20 12:05:34
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Have you tried it with another plugin? Can you control anything else with the breath controller?
The standard number for a breath controller is CC2, try adding an automation lane to any instrument using CC2 and see if you're actually getting data..
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Re: Controlling TH2's Wah with breath controller, just not happening
2014/11/20 12:07:37
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Thanks Scook for taking the time to do that. SO this looks the same as I tried in 4 posts above. Thanks for clarifying that both the synth and the Fx need their own midi track. I wonder why I wasn't seeing the TH2 as a midi option for routing to. I'll have a look in the morning to see if I can make sense of it. Thanks again. 
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Re: Controlling TH2's Wah with breath controller, just not happening
2014/11/20 12:17:29
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Karyn
Have you tried it with another plugin? Can you control anything else with the breath controller?
The standard number for a breath controller is CC2, try adding an automation lane to any instrument using CC2 and see if you're actually getting data..
Yeah, but as ACT doesn't seem to be working on anything I tried in the FX bin, nor the synth that was responding to CC2 when set through midi learn, I couldn't set another FX to receive CC2. I questioned above "Any suggestions for VST effects with a Midi Learn" so I could see if it was routing or the Plug in at issue. Seems from Scook's post I still have another step to conquer on the routing first. Figuring why ACT is not working is a mission for another day, but I don't have any knobs or sliders here, just a mod wheel and pitchbend and breath controller.
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Re: Controlling TH2's Wah with breath controller, just not happening
2014/11/20 12:30:35
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Figuring why ACT is not working is a mission for another day, but I don't have any knobs or sliders here, just a mod wheel and pitchbend and breath controller.
This is my situation except my controller is a very basic keyboard controller. One reason I never bothered with ACT. Controlling the TH2 Wah with MIDI is possible, given the correct routing.
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Re: Controlling TH2's Wah with breath controller, just not happening
2014/11/20 12:50:23
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I have a Trigger finger drum pad in the UK that I keep meaning to sell, and had that working with ACT, so I have some faith in ACT, and this was when it was first launched. Having started down this treacherous road in 93' with the Novation BassStation Keyboard (then Cakewalk LE on Windows 9.11) I have since come to the conclusion the keyboards and me do not mix, and am now happily keyboard free. Just my WX5 Midi Sax and Korg Nanopad2 drums. I may invest in a NanKontrol2 at somepoint to return to some knobs and faders.
I love breath controller on filters on monosyths and mono instruments. I have a soft spot for rhodes and being able to add some further expression through wah, filter etc would really help add some life.
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Re: Controlling TH2's Wah with breath controller, just not happening
2014/11/20 14:25:29
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So despite spending 90 mins running around playing football, my insomnia this week continues. So fuzzy headed I opened Sonar and checking that set up I had earlier but was not showing the TH2 for the additional midi track, it had appeared. No responce from the wah though. S I decided to run through from scratch, following your steps. Bang, it works, thanks scook, very grateful
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Re: Controlling TH2's Wah with breath controller, just not happening
2014/11/21 00:11:25
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Well I don't know about anyone else, but I kind of got a little confused reading that thread what with the whole scook/Scoot thing 
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Re: Controlling TH2's Wah with breath controller, just not happening
2014/11/21 02:18:44
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I'd happily change my name, started a thread a few years ago requesting it. Scoot was a nickname from 17 years ago, and it's taken years to get my friends to stop using it. Also kind of connects me with an Ex from back 10 years ago. Unfortunately the forum can't do this.
To try to avoid confusion I had an avatar, but I updated it 2 weeks ago, it shows on my profile page, but keeps appearing and disappearing, so II don't know if you can see it or not.
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Re: Controlling TH2's Wah with breath controller, just not happening
2014/11/21 16:18:25
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Scoot
I'd happily change my name, started a thread a few years ago requesting it. Scoot was a nickname from 17 years ago, and it's taken years to get my friends to stop using it. Also kind of connects me with an Ex from back 10 years ago. Unfortunately the forum can't do this.
To try to avoid confusion I had an avatar, but I updated it 2 weeks ago, it shows on my profile page, but keeps appearing and disappearing, so II don't know if you can see it or not.
Ultimately I think the fact that your name is capitalized is good enough to distinguish the two. I'm just easily confused...
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Re: Controlling TH2's Wah with breath controller, just not happening
2014/11/21 18:26:55
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Here is another way to control an effect in TH2. Using the Crying Wah as the example: - Open the TH2 UI and add the Crying Wah
- Drag and drop the Crying Wah by it's label to one of the smart controls at the bottom of the TH2 UI.
- Select filter from the popup context menu. This binds the smart control to the Wah filter.
- Add an automation lane for the TH2 smart control in the track containing TH2
- Right-click on the automation lane fader, selecting Remote Control and make the appropriate CC assignment.
Now the automation lane can be written directly using the controller.
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