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2014/11/21 03:57:14 (permalink)

Cakewalk Sonar - The Rodney Dangerfield of DAWs?

Check out this poll on the top DAW programs out there. Look first at the top image,and then look at the poll entries.
 
Notice anything missing?

http://askaudiomag.com/articles/reader-poll-your-favorite-daw
 
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Re: Cakewalk Sonar - The Rodney Dangerfield of DAWs? 2014/11/21 04:10:04 (permalink)
I never heard of Bitwig Studio. also Sampltude didn't make the list either. 
 
Its odd that a survey should be so limited. Sort of skews the results.  

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Re: Cakewalk Sonar - The Rodney Dangerfield of DAWs? 2014/11/21 05:18:59 (permalink)
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I never heard of Bitwig Studio. also Sampltude didn't make the list either. 
 
Its odd that a survey should be so limited. Sort of skews the results.  


I only heard of Bitwig Studio from their booth at the NAMM show. It's only been out for maybe 2 years; it's a real noob as far as the DAW game goes. And I don't even know anyone who uses it...


 

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Re: Cakewalk Sonar - The Rodney Dangerfield of DAWs? 2014/11/21 05:24:38 (permalink)
A lame survey. One would have thought that the magazine would be staffed by people who know their stuff. Apparently not. More likely, given the high score for Ableton Live, the readership of this particular organ mainly comprises those whose needs are suited to Ableton which (cf Wiki) ..."is designed to be an instrument for live performances ...It is also used by DJs, as it offers a suite of controls for beatmatching, crossfading, and other effects used by turntablists (sic), and was one of the first music applications to automatically beatmatch songs."

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Re: Cakewalk Sonar - The Rodney Dangerfield of DAWs? 2014/11/21 05:52:55 (permalink)
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I never heard of Bitwig Studio. also Sampltude didn't make the list either. 
 
Its odd that a survey should be so limited. Sort of skews the results.  


I only heard of Bitwig Studio from their booth at the NAMM show. It's only been out for maybe 2 years; it's a real noob as far as the DAW game goes. And I don't even know anyone who uses it...


 


Well at least you have heard of it. I find the so called survey to be a little bogus. Not because it includes Bitwig but because it leaves some rather important DAWs off, DAWs with a real track record. No pun intended. LOL
 
Why include Garageband which is a free program that comes with all Apple computers?
 
Normally I don't get upset with surveys that leave good DAWs off the list. But what this does is subtlety tell respondents that the survey is geared toward a particular type of music. Though its possible that that publication is also geared for one type of music too. They may know who their readers are. 
 
They may not really care what we may think or how well thought out the survey is. It may be as simple to be able to tout the number one DAW that their readers like as an article that may generate more traffic. I can see the headlines now. 
 
 

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Re: Cakewalk Sonar - The Rodney Dangerfield of DAWs? 2014/11/21 06:09:52 (permalink)
I'm pretty sure the website is mac oriented. I'm sure if Sonar and Samplitude had an OS X version they would be listed.

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Re: Cakewalk Sonar - The Rodney Dangerfield of DAWs? 2014/11/21 06:45:05 (permalink)
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I'm pretty sure the website is mac oriented. I'm sure if Sonar and Samplitude had an OS X version they would be listed.


Maybe but FL Studio is not for Macs either.  

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Re: Cakewalk Sonar - The Rodney Dangerfield of DAWs? 2014/11/21 07:40:16 (permalink)
FL Studio has a version for Mac. Also, FL Studio is a very good DAW. Use it along with Sonar X3e.
 
Concerning the subject matter of this thread where does anyone go about finding out the true popularity of a DAW? Meaning copies sold. I asked this on the FL Studio forum and no one seemed to know. There has to be someone who tracks a question such as this.

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Re: Cakewalk Sonar - The Rodney Dangerfield of DAWs? 2014/11/21 07:53:23 (permalink)
What they have is an app. They call it FL Studio Mobile it is for the Ipad not a Mac. Win 8 has FL Studio Groove also an app. 

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Re: Cakewalk Sonar - The Rodney Dangerfield of DAWs? 2014/11/21 08:20:00 (permalink)
Voted for other!!!

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Re: Cakewalk Sonar - The Rodney Dangerfield of DAWs? 2014/11/21 08:29:24 (permalink)
I think it is preposterous to leave Sonar out. It is a veteran and should be treated as one.
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Re: Cakewalk Sonar - The Rodney Dangerfield of DAWs? 2014/11/21 10:22:08 (permalink)
Yup, the "other" got my vote.
Bogus as John has already stated and, I agree, that the mag is for the DJ crowd and aerobic instructors.  

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Re: Cakewalk Sonar - The Rodney Dangerfield of DAWs? 2014/11/21 10:26:51 (permalink)
Mac bias...no Sonar, Sampitude, or Mixcraft. Bitwig has been on the market for less than a year.
 
As to tracking sales, most companies are privately held and do not publish info on sales. The one place where you could track sales was stores that sold software in boxes, but with direct digital downloads taking over, that's less of a factor. I do have access to MI Sales Trak, but it's proprietary.
 
FWIW, SONAR is doing fine.

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Re: Cakewalk Sonar - The Rodney Dangerfield of DAWs? 2014/11/21 10:45:04 (permalink)
About the executive editor:
"Rounik is the Executive Editor for AskAudioMag.com & the quarterly print magazine by the same name. As an Apple Certified Trainer for Logic (and a self-confessed Mac fanatic) he's taught teachers, professional musicians and hobbyists how to get the best out of Apple's creative software."
 
And that says it all...   

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Re: Cakewalk Sonar - The Rodney Dangerfield of DAWs? 2014/11/21 11:09:29 (permalink)
Here's a new poll that does include SONAR:
 
http://www.musictech.net/...-the-year-2014-voting/
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Re: Cakewalk Sonar - The Rodney Dangerfield of DAWs? 2014/11/21 11:52:00 (permalink)
I heard about Bitwig through KVR it also came with a warning about spyware, Trojans and viruses.

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Re: Cakewalk Sonar - The Rodney Dangerfield of DAWs? 2014/11/21 12:20:58 (permalink)
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Here's a new poll that does include SONAR:
 
http://www.musictech.net/...-the-year-2014-voting/


Ah damn I could only vote for one of those, as I have no experience of any of the others apart from Sonar, which of course I voted for. It didn't even have AD2 in the percussion option.
 
Then it kicks back the answer
 
This question requires an answer.
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1. If you want to be in with a chance of winning, please give us your email address and name below:
 
Why does it require an answer if I don't want a chance of winning? Surely it should read
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Re: Cakewalk Sonar - The Rodney Dangerfield of DAWs? 2014/11/21 12:26:46 (permalink)
Polls...meh.
 
Personally I recommend using whichever tool suites your fancy and use it as often as possible to ensure Ninja level knowledge and ability. A unintended consequence of this will be a tendency to disregard all polls. 
 
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Re: Cakewalk Sonar - The Rodney Dangerfield of DAWs? 2014/11/21 13:33:56 (permalink)
There are only five professional DAWs:
 
1.  Sonar
2. Pro Tools
3. Digital Performer
4.  Cubase
5.  Logic
 
None of the other DAWs, regardless of their audio merits,  have a staff view, so from a professional composer's perspective, are not complete DAWS.  I realize that many people who use DAWS are not composers; some are audio engineers, songwriters, and others who don't need the staff view.  But any so-called "poll" that doesn't recognize what the above 5 DAWS can do that the others cannot is a dumb poll.
 
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Re: Cakewalk Sonar - The Rodney Dangerfield of DAWs? 2014/11/21 14:09:06 (permalink)
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I'm pretty sure the website is mac oriented. I'm sure if Sonar and Samplitude had an OS X version they would be listed.


Maybe but FL Studio is not for Macs either.  




Yup, your right John. I don't know. That's what I always thought about that site.

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Re: Cakewalk Sonar - The Rodney Dangerfield of DAWs? 2014/11/21 14:22:14 (permalink)
How can anyone take a poll seriously if it allows voting multiple times?
 
SONAR wins awards...worth more than poll results, IMHO.

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Re: Cakewalk Sonar - The Rodney Dangerfield of DAWs? 2014/11/21 14:34:52 (permalink)
Personally though, if I used a DAW and was happy that had 0.000001% popularity I wouldn't care less.

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Re: Cakewalk Sonar - The Rodney Dangerfield of DAWs? 2014/11/21 14:51:17 (permalink)
People can argue forever about what is best, but going by sales and popularity alone, it is weird to exclude Sonar while including FL Studio and Reaper which are less common (though well-respected).
 
I am familiar with Bitwig, but then again, I read all the trade magazines.  It is certainly not a contender for most popular.
 
i think ProTools, Sonar, Logic, Cubase, Ableton, Studio One, and Reason (in whichever order you like) seem to be the major players.  I don't know where Digital Performer is these days in terms of use, but maybe it's on the list.
 
Anyway, these polls are about as valid as the Facebook tests to see which medieval king you are or which planet fits your personality.

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Re: Cakewalk Sonar - The Rodney Dangerfield of DAWs? 2014/11/21 14:54:24 (permalink)
Reaper is another well used DAW, runs on both PC and MAC platforms.
So that Logic is MAC only versus Sonar PC only, is the argument on this particular Forum?
Bitwig is new and exciting, runs on Linux.
 
Perhaps a valid measure is to seek out a few hundred established top money earning DAW users(companies) and find out what is their DAW of choice.
Maybe, a scientific means of finding this out can never be achieved.
Its like asking who is the best professional ball player (pick a sport) and a so call expert might choose to leave out a particular person; and their goes a good 'barber shop' argument.  
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Re: Cakewalk Sonar - The Rodney Dangerfield of DAWs? 2014/11/21 15:01:22 (permalink)
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I never heard of Bitwig Studio. also Sampltude didn't make the list either. 
 
Its odd that a survey should be so limited. Sort of skews the results.  


Interestingly, the Sweetwater's winter 2015 catalogue has Sonar X3 and Bitwig on the same page, Sonar on top half, Bitwig the lower half. 
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Re: Cakewalk Sonar - The Rodney Dangerfield of DAWs? 2014/11/21 15:05:45 (permalink)
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About the executive editor:
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And that says it all...   


That is very interesting, indeed.  Thank you Jim for posting that info.  

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Re: Cakewalk Sonar - The Rodney Dangerfield of DAWs? 2014/11/21 16:17:53 (permalink)
SONAR is not on the radar of Mac enthusiasts, except those who want to know if it runs under Boot Camp (it does).
 
BTW FL Studio is very popular...but it's a very different kind of program. 

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Re: Cakewalk Sonar - The Rodney Dangerfield of DAWs? 2014/11/22 12:48:28 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby konradh 2014/11/22 14:55:47
 Dome people have insecurity issues with DAWs.  If artist x doesn't use it or it doesn't rank high on a popularity poll there's gotta be something wrong with it.
 
 They never list what DAWs are used on commercial CD jackets because most people don't care. There are lots of users who use more than one tool.
 
 
 
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Re: Cakewalk Sonar - The Rodney Dangerfield of DAWs? 2014/11/22 13:29:48 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby konradh 2014/11/22 14:55:38
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Some people have insecurity issues with DAWs.  If artist x doesn't use it or it doesn't rank high on a popularity poll there's gotta be something wrong with it.
 
They never list what DAWs are used on commercial CD jackets because most people don't care. There are lots of users who use more than one tool.



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Re: Cakewalk Sonar - The Rodney Dangerfield of DAWs? 2014/11/22 14:55:55 (permalink)
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I never heard of Bitwig Studio. also Sampltude didn't make the list either. 
 
Its odd that a survey should be so limited. Sort of skews the results.  


Interestingly, the Sweetwater's winter 2015 catalogue has Sonar X3 and Bitwig on the same page, Sonar on top half, Bitwig the lower half. 


That is just Sweetwater's way of sticking Bitwig's market share in Cakewalk's face. :-) What could be if they had continue to develop Project 5.
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