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2014/11/22 06:39:02 (permalink)

Melodyne - worth upgrading?

I have another day to decide if I should upgrade at the reduced price of €149.00 (normally €299.00)
Is it worth it?
I have read a few threads about people being disappointed that V-Vocal is no longer available and that Melodyne is a poor substitute. I enjoyed using VV and got quite adept with it, but if it's not supported any more, I suppose there's no point wasting time whining about it.
Anyone already had some experience with Melodyne and what it can do?
Thanks in advance

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Re: Melodyne - worth upgrading? 2014/11/22 07:42:11 (permalink)
I believe this offer is just a step up, not the full package. It gives you polyphonic correction, but misses out some other aspects. For me I would like controller data in the mono convert to midi, such as pitch wheel being sent to replicate vibrato, but that's in the full package, what ever that's called. 

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Re: Melodyne - worth upgrading? 2014/11/22 09:48:49 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby travtek 2015/06/15 22:17:32
percepto:
 
I did the upgrade a while back and believe that it is an exceptional value.  I've done some pretty amazing things with it.
 
I previously used V-Vocal to make harmony parts and pitch correction.  These things seem to be much easier to do in Melodyne and much easier to make sound "believable". 
 
One thing to note, if you don't need the ability to manipulate polyphony, then you may not need to upgrade to Melodyne editor.  Pitch correction and harmony design can be done using Melodyne Essential.
 
Hope this helps,
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Re: Melodyne - worth upgrading? 2014/11/22 09:56:00 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby travtek 2015/06/15 22:19:24
I think the issue with Melodyne "disappointment" is that Melodyne Essential is not as full-function as V-Vocal. As a result I continued using V-Vocal when X3 first appeared. However, after upgrading to Melodyne Editor I haven't used V-Vocal. It sounds better, is more reliable, and does polyphonic pitch correction (I've actually used it on slide guitar - the slides were left alone, but where the notes "landed" was corrected).
 
There are two features Editor doesn't have that were part of V-Vocal. One is LFO-based vibrato, but that can be accomplished by using the Sonitus modulation plug-in for vibrato. The other is the "pencil" tool for drawing in pitch changes. However, Melodyne does have various pitch correction and note splitting tools that are more complex to use, but overall, to my ears give better results overall.

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Re: Melodyne - worth upgrading? 2014/11/22 10:40:35 (permalink)

What Craig said.
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Re: Melodyne - worth upgrading? 2014/11/22 10:53:50 (permalink)
+1 for Craig's post.  It has many tools, just as Sonar does, and lets you customize to the nth degree.

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Re: Melodyne - worth upgrading? 2014/11/22 11:42:19 (permalink)
For an additional $400 , Get a singer that can sing, and if you need it for instruments , get a musician that can play. 
 Its a great tool no doubting that .. But way over priced !!!  Music has been made for decades without having a tool as such. You can do without it. Its called redo!

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Re: Melodyne - worth upgrading? 2014/11/22 11:55:56 (permalink)
It's true not everyone will use it, like me. I've only opened a few times just to see what it was about. First time it crashed my system , and now with a new up to date system it tells me I need to increase my buffers to 10,000 or something stupid, so I've yet to try it. But then I rarely used V Vocal. If something was out of tune, it gets re done, or I'll steal the part from somewhere else in the track where it was correct. 
 
Note that if you have an older version of Sonar installed you will still have V Vocal. So you can use both still. 

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Re: Melodyne - worth upgrading? 2014/11/22 12:08:10 (permalink)
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now with a new up to date system it tells me I need to increase my buffers to 10,000 or something stupid, so I've yet to try it.



You can safely ignore that message.

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Re: Melodyne - worth upgrading? 2014/11/22 12:11:56 (permalink)
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 and if you need it for instruments , get a musician that can play. 
 




Thing is, I'm the musician that I want to correct. I play 3 different wind instruments, and contary to popular belieif, just tuning them does not make them pitch perfect. Every wind instrument has it's intonation problem areas.
 
Being able to turn that into midi is fantastic for layering and harmonising part

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Re: Melodyne - worth upgrading? 2014/11/22 12:13:36 (permalink)
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For an additional $400 , Get a singer that can sing, and if you need it for instruments , get a musician that can play. 
 Its a great tool no doubting that .. But way over priced !!!  Music has been made for decades without having a tool as such. You can do without it. Its called redo!



What matters isn't the pitch, but the performance. If there's an inspired performance but a few notes are off, that's when pitch correction comes into its own. Sure, you can punch and create frankenparts, but to my ears, that often impacts the integrity/continuity of the performance. Or you can redo performances in the hope that the redo will be better. If it is, great. But if it's a choice between a redone performance that has perfect pitch but lacks emotional impact, or a great performance with a few fixes, I'll take the latter and correct the pitches.

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Re: Melodyne - worth upgrading? 2014/11/22 12:18:59 (permalink)
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Thing is, I'm the musician that I want to correct. I play 3 different wind instruments, and contary to popular belieif, just tuning them does not make them pitch perfect. Every wind instrument has it's intonation problem areas.
 
Being able to turn that into midi is fantastic for layering and harmonising part


Upgrading to Melodyne Editor is a slam dunk value.

If you need to correct something, all of the this audio editing software is all about that. Melodyne is an amazing tool to have available as you need or want.

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Re: Melodyne - worth upgrading? 2014/11/22 12:34:13 (permalink)
Yes, the audio-to-MIDI function is great. I often play bass into SONAR, then use Melodyne when I want that to turn into a synth bass part.

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Re: Melodyne - worth upgrading? 2014/11/22 15:38:15 (permalink)
Thanks for all the inputs.
I do still have X2 but I have done a clean install of X3 on a brand new laptop, I guess I am asking for trouble installing X2 just for V-Vocal.
I used the pencil tool a lot but I am happy to learn new ways of working with Melodyne if that's the supported option.
I really appreciate all the feedback but see no reason for anyone to have to justify why they need to use Melodyne, or indeed why they choose to use any tool or process which works for them. I nearly always have to slow the tempo down to play any half interesting keyboard part because I'm simply a crap player!
I think I will stump up for the upgrade and see where it takes me.
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Re: Melodyne - worth upgrading? 2014/11/22 16:30:19 (permalink)
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I do still have X2 but I have done a clean install of X3 on a brand new laptop, I guess I am asking for trouble installing X2 just for V-Vocal.

Actually, no.
 
Just do a custom install of X2 and *******ONLY********* install V-Vocal.
 
Simples.
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Re: Melodyne - worth upgrading? 2014/11/22 16:38:55 (permalink)
Unfortunately V-Vocal is not a separately installable plug-in. In order to install V-Vocal, a minimum install of SONAR is required. In order to perform a minimum install of X2, select the advanced install option then select SONAR from the pick list and uncheck everything else unless you also want R-Mix and VC-64 which were dropped from X3.
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Re: Melodyne - worth upgrading? 2014/11/22 16:46:13 (permalink)
I have X1, X2, and X3 installed on my computer and they get along fine. I think sometimes they go out for drinks at night when I'm not around.
 
If you want V-Vocal you don't need to install all of X2, just the base program. But mess with Melodyne for a while. You may find, as I did, that V-Vocal became irrelevant.
 
Be forewarned that Melodyne looks simple but it is deep. For example, the Split Notes tool is what allows you to really tame vibrato correctly - flatten it out, emphasize it, etc. The combination of note splitting and the modulation tool is what replaces the pencil.
 
You'll probably go through a "is this all there is?" phase, then dig deeper, watch the videos, and find out how much you can do with it.

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Re: Melodyne - worth upgrading? 2014/11/22 20:54:36 (permalink)
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Yes, the audio-to-MIDI function is great. I often play bass into SONAR, then use Melodyne when I want that to turn into a synth bass part.


Just a shame and a real stinger for me, that you have to upgrade to the full Studio version to get pitch modulation in the Midi conversion. I expected (my fault but as you get a time limit to decide on buying x3, I just went with it) that mono processing would be greatly expanded and Polyphonic processing provided as basic in the mid level Editor. I can't get me head round why they omitted pitch bend data from the Editor level, something they add that extra life to midi.  

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Re: Melodyne - worth upgrading? 2014/11/22 20:56:39 (permalink)
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Thing is, I'm the musician that I want to correct. I play 3 different wind instruments, and contary to popular belieif, just tuning them does not make them pitch perfect. Every wind instrument has it's intonation problem areas.
 
Being able to turn that into midi is fantastic for layering and harmonising part


Upgrading to Melodyne Editor is a slam dunk value.

If you need to correct something, all of the this audio editing software is all about that. Melodyne is an amazing tool to have available as you need or want.



 
No need to quote me, I did the upgrade.

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Re: Melodyne - worth upgrading? 2014/11/22 21:10:10 (permalink)
Something that blew my mind with the Editor version an polyphonic processing, is I took the intro of 'Moaning' by Charlie Mingus. The intro is played Pepper Adams on Baritone Sax and is a fiery start to that piece. Melodyne decided to treat it as Poly by accident, and what it gave me was the harmonic intervals of a monophonic instrument. Allowing my to change the harmonic characteristics of a of a harmonically rich mono sauce.
 
When I first arrived in Vietnam I met these 2 bamboo flute players. They had a real interest in the folk music of Vietnam. Often in Vietnam, you get a young girl accompanying and collecting money for a blind bamboo flute player, who is generally doodling. These 2 guys I met though, played some beautiful pieces, and I was surprised at how one of the more upbeat songs was so similar to an Irish Jig. With YouTube you can find Vietnamese guys playing songs that are traditional to their area of the country. Being able to put these Youtube videos into Sonar as MP3s, convert in Melodyne, adjust for the fact they are not tuned to 440, and then back to sonar as midi and to staff, will give me something I can learn.   

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Re: Melodyne - worth upgrading? 2014/11/22 22:03:51 (permalink)
The lack of pitch bends in Editor's audio-MIDI conversion was sort of a let down to me as well. The conversion can cause more chaos than aid as a tool for composition. Ideally it would be nice to use voice to tailor MIDI to drive a soft synth, but its use for this is limited and can require a lot of PRV overhead. That conversion can turn something highly articulated into "blah."

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Re: Melodyne - worth upgrading? 2014/11/23 19:30:30 (permalink)
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I have X1, X2, and X3 installed on my computer and they get along fine. I think sometimes they go out for drinks at night when I'm not around.
 
If you want V-Vocal you don't need to install all of X2, just the base program. But mess with Melodyne for a while. You may find, as I did, that V-Vocal became irrelevant.
 
Be forewarned that Melodyne looks simple but it is deep. For example, the Split Notes tool is what allows you to really tame vibrato correctly - flatten it out, emphasize it, etc. The combination of note splitting and the modulation tool is what replaces the pencil.
 
You'll probably go through a "is this all there is?" phase, then dig deeper, watch the videos, and find out how much you can do with it.



Are you speaking about Melodyne Editor or Studio? It seems that many people are unhappy about certain functionality lacking in the Editor version, although I don't understand a lot of the complaints as I don't know the program.
I always have a problem to sing without vibrato so the pencil tool came in handy in VV! Are you saying that Melodyne Editor can do this equally well, or even better?
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Re: Melodyne - worth upgrading? 2014/11/23 19:37:01 (permalink)
I believe most of the complaints were about Melodyne Essential vs. Melodyne Editor when compared to V-Vocal. Melodyne Essential is the product bundled with X3 Studio and Producer. Melodyne Editor is the full featured version of Melodyne Singletrack. I do not recall much discussion about Melodyne Studio, it is a 32bit application.
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Re: Melodyne - worth upgrading? 2014/11/23 22:12:37 (permalink)
I've found that Melodyne Essential is "essentially" autotune with the ability to also move individual notes by semi-tones. You can't (that I've found) tune very short segments manually - need to upgrade for that. So, for the time being since I still have 7 installed I use Melodyne for the "autotune" quick hitters and still use VV if I need more surgical precision or to adjust timing (which I may have used more than tuning in the past - very cool feature).

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Re: Melodyne - worth upgrading? 2015/06/15 20:05:08 (permalink)
Guess who is confused again! So, we have Melodyne Essential. If you got to Celemony's website, they have 3 versions. Essential($99), Assistant($249), EDITOR($399), and Studio Bundle($699). I tried to upgrade to Assistant, but it says I don't have the rights to that upgrade?  I tend to do progressive upgrades due to cash flow. I can't remember that last time I bought the top shelf out of the gate. They all run the editor, but only EDITOR has poly so? 

 
 
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Re: Melodyne - worth upgrading? 2015/06/15 20:13:17 (permalink)
So.... get Editor. You will not regret it once you realize that no tool of this nature will ever make a bad singer into a good singer. Melodyne will fix the occasional slightly sharp/flat note as long as the timber and vibrato is within the range of the rest of the track. +/- a whole step will generally yield desirable results.
 
WRT to guitar parts, remember the poly will only work of relatively clean parts. Think Strat thru Fender Deluxe not too drivern or acoutic (nylon or steel) and even piano. BigDistorto Guits are dificult at best to fix with Melodyne. Impossible most of the time, IMO.
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Re: Melodyne - worth upgrading? 2015/06/15 20:18:15 (permalink)
As others have said, at that price the update is a no brainer. Well worth it!

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Re: Melodyne - worth upgrading? 2015/06/15 20:39:00 (permalink)
Dang it, I had it all typed up and poof, it's gone...anyways
 
PER CELEMONY's Website, from what I can gather:
 
Essential has editor and what we get with Sonar
Assistant comes with the editor with "extras"
EDITOR comes  with DNA for poly(thus the caps)
Studio -EDITOR with "extras"
 
But then why does the editor in Essential have a poly mode? 
 
And why does it say 
ArticlePrice 
Melodyne studio 3 as download
Upgrade from Melodyne essential (all versions)
US$599DeleteThe update/upgrade is valid for the following license in your account:
This update doesn't fit to any Melodyne product in your account.    
No matter which upgrade I choose, I get the same result, no upgrade for me. My license is registered and activated........
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Re: Melodyne - worth upgrading? 2015/06/15 20:49:56 (permalink)
charlyg. Not sure sine I went with Meldyne Editor back in the 8.5/X1 days.
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Re: Melodyne - worth upgrading? 2015/06/15 21:05:47 (permalink)
charlyg
Dang it, I had it all typed up and poof, it's gone...anyways
 
PER CELEMONY's Website, from what I can gather:
 
Essential has editor and what we get with Sonar
Assistant comes with the editor with "extras"
EDITOR comes  with DNA for poly(thus the caps)
Studio -EDITOR with "extras"
 
But then why does the editor in Essential have a poly mode? 
 
And why does it say ArticlePrice 
Melodyne studio 3 as download
Upgrade from Melodyne essential (all versions)
US$599DeleteThe update/upgrade is valid for the following license in your account:
This update doesn't fit to any Melodyne product in your account.    
No matter which upgrade I choose, I get the same result, no upgrade for me. My license is registered and activated........


Just send them an email. They are a great bunch of people to deal with.

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