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2014/11/17 16:22:54 (permalink)

Jodi Good's "Where Did We Go" - to compare performance running X3e under Win7 vs Win8.1

This is a quick example to show X3e performance under Win7x64 vs. Win8.1x64:
http://www.studiocat.com/temp/Win7_vs_Win8.mp4
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To gauge DAW performance, I like to use a typical audio project instead of generic benchmarks.  
Many Cakewalk users have access to Jodi Good's "Where Did We Go"... so it's a nice/consistent project for test purposes.
 
To increase load on the CPU, I set the Babyface's ASIO buffer size to 64-samples (sample-rate at 44.1k to match the project).
 
Though certainly not a comprehensive example (didn't have time for that)... I think it makes the point pretty clear.
 
 
 

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Re: Jodi Good's "Where Did We Go" - to compare performance running X3e under Win7 vs Win8. 2014/11/17 18:00:56 (permalink)
Thanks Jim.
 
It's good to know that when I finally have to migrate to Win8 that it will not be too big a step backwards.
 
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Re: Jodi Good's "Where Did We Go" - to compare performance running X3e under Win7 vs Win8. 2014/11/18 09:29:25 (permalink)


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Re: Jodi Good's "Where Did We Go" - to compare performance running X3e under Win7 vs Win8. 2014/11/18 10:17:01 (permalink)
tl/dr?

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Re: Jodi Good's "Where Did We Go" - to compare performance running X3e under Win7 vs Win8. 2014/11/18 10:51:41 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby lawp 2014/11/18 11:06:11
In previous threads, I was saying that (on current generation hardware), there's very little performance difference between Win7x64 and Win8.1x64.
The video demonstrates that... using a test project that's available to many Sonar users.

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Re: Jodi Good's "Where Did We Go" - to compare performance running X3e under Win7 vs Win8. 2014/11/18 11:15:43 (permalink)
thx, couldn't watch the vid ;-)

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Re: Jodi Good's "Where Did We Go" - to compare performance running X3e under Win7 vs Win8. 2014/11/18 13:35:26 (permalink)
Interesting for sure.  thx.

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Re: Jodi Good's "Where Did We Go" - to compare performance running X3e under Win7 vs Win8. 2014/11/18 23:00:35 (permalink)
Ya, video stalls and was super slow loading?? 2 pictures might have told the story a little less bandwidth wise// but I guess the results where close ,,, right? 

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Re: Jodi Good's "Where Did We Go" - to compare performance running X3e under Win7 vs Win8. 2014/11/19 07:56:20 (permalink)
It does load slowly, so I just loaded the page and surfed on another tab for a while and when I came back I hit play and it was all there.


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Re: Jodi Good's "Where Did We Go" - to compare performance running X3e under Win7 vs Win8. 2014/11/19 09:35:18 (permalink)
FWIW, You can go to www.studiocat.com/temp and right-click and choose to "Save Link As" to download the file "Win7_vs_Win8.mp4".
Once downloaded, you should be able to view without issue.
 
Although a couple of pics could have showed essentially the same thing, I wanted to show the transport running (at least for a short while), so you could see the results over a period of time.
 
Win8 CPU use is slightly higher (insignificantly so with current generation hardware)... but CPU use is more consistent/smooth than Win7.
 
Both Win7 and Win8 make fine DAW platforms.
 
 
 

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Re: Jodi Good's "Where Did We Go" - to compare performance running X3e under Win7 vs Win8. 2014/11/19 12:17:53 (permalink)
Cool.  Thanks for the real world examples, Jim.
 
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Re: Jodi Good's "Where Did We Go" - to compare performance running X3e under Win7 vs Win8. 2014/11/19 21:04:11 (permalink)
+1, thank you for taking the time to post this!

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Re: Jodi Good's "Where Did We Go" - to compare performance running X3e under Win7 vs Win8. 2014/11/21 04:41:20 (permalink)
Thanks for sharing the info...I guess I may now use Windows 8 as OS for my new mini-ITX build (I was thinking of using Win7x64 still initially). 

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Re: Jodi Good's "Where Did We Go" - to compare performance running X3e under Win7 vs Win8. 2014/11/27 23:45:13 (permalink)
(I apologize if the following is inferred as disrespectful.)
 
I think this test is not useful for comparing w7 and w8 performance.
 
This is a small, simple, project. (32 tracks, few full, frozen synth tracks.)
 
How many cores are doing what for each OS and how do they compare for the whole project?
 
I have read that the windows task managers display results differently.
 
Does w8 calculate core use the same as w7?
Are the same number of cores used?
Or are fewer cores are used at a higher level?
 
More relevant to me:
 60+ tracks, 20+ buses: midi and audio, with lots of effects, and gain/volume envelopes
  some sample-streaming synths, nothing frozen
 
  time comparison of "bouncing to tracks" / "bounce to clips" for a large project
    core use comparison
 
 a third party measurement tool for measuring all stuff: ram, cpu, disk use
 
And so on
 
 
 
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Re: Jodi Good's "Where Did We Go" - to compare performance running X3e under Win7 vs Win8. 2014/11/28 01:50:40 (permalink)
I believe I mentioned that the example wasn't intended to be comprehensive.  
 
When running at a 64-sample ASIO buffer size, "We Did We Go" is enough of a load to make valid performance comparison between Win7 and Win8.
 
"Where Did We Go" was chosen because many Sonar users have access to the exact same tune.
It's a typical "project studio" type tune/arrangement.
It's quick/easy/consistent for anyone to test and compare for themselves...
 
I've run many tests over many machines.
Doubling the load doesn't make core load balance radically change.  
Any way you slice it, greater or lesser load, there's very little performance difference between running Windows 7 and Windows 8.
 
 
 
 

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Re: Jodi Good's "Where Did We Go" - to compare performance running X3e under Win7 vs Win8. 2014/11/28 07:12:17 (permalink)
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Any way you slice it, greater or lesser load, there's very little performance difference between running Windows 7 and Windows 8.
 



This was the main point with the OP. One thing to bear in mind is that some VSTs are scripted to Core 0, so piling them into a project will make a noticeable spike there (I have read threads on Ozone being an offender of this). I am curious if Win8 "bypassed" this and used all cores regardless of the program coding (or if this can even be done)? Bitflipper had a nice post a while ago which basically said that some processes have to run the same thread (if programmed as such), so I assume that is "the same" between Win7 and Win8 as well.
 
The bottom line for me is not to fault Windows, but be mindful of how CPU is being affected by VSTs used (at least in my current configuration). Not all VSTs are equal.

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