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2014/11/28 16:49:54 (permalink)

The birthplace and world capital of hippies...

Apparently, we're flying for a lightning trip to San Francisco some time next week.
 

 
I hate flying, and I hate hippies.
 
I'm not putting flowers in my hair.
 
And I'm quite disappointed to find out that San Franciscans have failed to honour one of their most illustrious citizens, the great Bruce Lee. I was hoping for some kind of memorial, or to visit his old school or some thing. Nada.
 
Guess San Franciscans were too busy smoking pot and driving their hybrid cars to the nearest drum circle... 
 
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Re: The birthplace and world capital of hippies... 2014/11/28 17:24:58 (permalink)
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Re: The birthplace and world capital of hippies... 2014/11/28 17:31:56 (permalink)
“All these polo-necked wankers from grammar schools were going out and buying songs like ‘San Francisco (Be Sure to Wear Some Flowers in Your Hair)’. Flowers in your hair? Do me a f**king favour.
[...]
Who gave a dog’s arse about what people were doing in San Francisco, anyway? The only flowers anyone saw in Aston were the ones they threw in the hole after you when you croaked it at the age of fifty-three ’cos you’d worked yourself to death.
I hated those hippy-dippy songs, man.
Really hated them.” 
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Re: The birthplace and world capital of hippies... 2014/11/28 17:37:51 (permalink)
LOL!

 
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Re: The birthplace and world capital of hippies... 2014/11/28 18:03:17 (permalink)
 
I am old enough to remember the summer of lurve.
 
I had a tortoise, and I loved that little feller....
 
But he ran away.
 
 
 
Coincidentally....
 
People are always asking me if I can do a negative tortoise impression.

I'm going to stick my neck out and say no.
 
 

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Re: The birthplace and world capital of hippies... 2014/11/28 18:31:52 (permalink)
Hi Rain, 
I like the following bands from up there.  Some great musicians also came from the 60's.
 
Jefferson Airplane
Grateful Dead
Journey
Logos
Santana
Quicksilver
Big Brother & The Holding Company
Blue Cheer
Bonnie Raitt
Steve Miller Band
Counting Crows
Country Joe and the Fish
Creedence Clearwater
Green Day
Metallica (from L.A.)
Tower of Power
The Doobie Brothers
John Lee Hooker
 
I am not sure what a hippie is anymore but I sure loved these bands!

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Re: The birthplace and world capital of hippies... 2014/11/28 19:02:18 (permalink)
We've got a lot of hippies in Portland.  Many moved there from SF a long time ago.  I've met people with lots of interesting names like Star or Happiness up here.

 
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Re: The birthplace and world capital of hippies... 2014/11/28 19:31:43 (permalink)
If hippies are the worst thing you ever meet, Rain, you are truly fortunate. I have met Nazis.
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Re: The birthplace and world capital of hippies... 2014/11/28 19:53:47 (permalink)
Well I don't see it as a either or sort of thing. Admittedly, it's all a bit tongue in cheek.
 
 
Coming from French Canada, I could have a lot of common w/ the (stereotypical) culture of SF. 
 
But socialism, protests and rallyes involving banners with Che Guevara or Marx on them and and all that non-sense which one is supposed to get over after college are one of the reasons why I feel absolutely no connexion with my own home. 
 
No that I don't care for the environment or for endangered species or social issues - all the opposite. But I won't let that prevent me from washing my hair and wearing clothes that don't look like I borrowed them from a DeadHead. Smoking pot and playing guitar don't accomplish much from my perspective. ;)

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Re: The birthplace and world capital of hippies... 2014/11/28 19:56:36 (permalink)
What....wait....what's that last part?

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Re: The birthplace and world capital of hippies... 2014/11/28 20:05:06 (permalink)
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Hi Rain, 
I like the following bands from up there.  Some great musicians also came from the 60's.
 
Jefferson Airplane
Grateful Dead
Journey
Logos
Santana
Quicksilver
Big Brother & The Holding Company
Blue Cheer
Bonnie Raitt
Steve Miller Band
Counting Crows
Country Joe and the Fish
Creedence Clearwater
Green Day
Metallica (from L.A.)
Tower of Power
The Doobie Brothers
John Lee Hooker
 
I am not sure what a hippie is anymore but I sure loved these bands!




Though I respect most of them, I can't really say I enjoy their music in most case. Long, trippy jam in particular just aren't my thing in most cases. Hendrix would be an exception. Zeppelin sometimes.
 
To be perfectly clear, again, I'm not putting them down, but I've always been more into clarity, focus and concision. I feel it's okay to go on for explorations and experimentations, but I prefer when that stuff is done away from the spotlight and the results are organized into something a bit more concise. But I get that some people are into that, and that's alright.
 
Plus, I tend to favour hard hitting or very dark music, so anything that's like the sonic equivalent of a tie-dye shirt won't work for me.
 
John Lee Hooker and Metallica are quite okay in my book though. And tons of other bands. As a teenager, the Bay Area was like a sacred land to us.
 
 

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Re: The birthplace and world capital of hippies... 2014/11/28 21:26:25 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Rain 2014/11/28 21:31:24
Well, I actually lived in San Francisco in 1968. 1967 was the Summer of Love. 1968 was the Summer of Man You Should Have Been Here Last Year. The flowers in the hair had been largely replaced by hopeless drug addicts and the crash pads had all been reupholstered and rented out to the gentry. By then Hippies were already a dying breed, so if you can find any actually alive in San Francisco today, they are probably like the costumed inhabitants of Colonial Williamsburg, performers paid to entertain the tourists. I was shopping in the Haight Ashbury neighborhood last July, and aside from finding an impressive collection of poorly made Tibetan trinkets, and bongs priced at over a grand it was not impressive. I did not see anyone who looked like a hippy who was not clearly an un-medicated schizophrenic, but you may have better luck.
 
As for music, you may have a point. I did attend a concert during my residence in 1968 at the Fillmore Auditorium with several hundred heavily medicated spectators and an even more heavily medicated band called The Grateful Dead, who managed to sustain one of the songs they had recorded on an album to a duration of well over twenty minutes at a deafening volume by the simple expedient of playing the refrain over and over endlessly. So if you found the albums from those groups self indulgent and undisciplined, well man, you should have been there in 1967.
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Re: The birthplace and world capital of hippies... 2014/11/29 01:04:09 (permalink)
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What....wait....what's that last part?


Nothing about hookers and blow. It's ok
 
Rain, SF isn't that city any more. It's just like any other city, full of people trying to get somewhere ten minutes ago.
It's a gorgeous city, as cities go, and it worth taking a moment or two to soak it in.
It is where my West coast starts. That ends at Port Angeles, WA.
If you have time, ride the BART to Oakland. Sit in the first car, behind the cab. There's nothing special in Oakland, but it's kind of a rush when you feel your ears pressurize, and realize you are on a train traveling 90 mph through a tunnel under the ocean.
Take-offs from SF are way cool. Side-by-side, and if you are luck enough to be on the right side of the plane, it is awesome.
Have a good trip. I think you might like the place after all.

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Re: The birthplace and world capital of hippies... 2014/11/29 01:04:53 (permalink)
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Re: The birthplace and world capital of hippies... 2014/11/29 07:53:39 (permalink)
My friend Tim moved to the US in the late '80's and moved around a lot in the 12 years he was there..Chicago, LA, Michigan..he still counts SF as his favourite place to live. He's no hippie

 
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Re: The birthplace and world capital of hippies... 2014/11/29 10:24:55 (permalink)
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...1967 was the Summer of Love. 1968 was the Summer of Man You Should Have Been Here Last Year. 
 

Good one. 
 
One minor correction from earlier...Bruce Lee is from Seattle, not San Francisco. His grave is a tourist destination, along with Hendrix's grave and the garage where Cobain blew his brains out.
 
What we don't have, AFAIK, is any tribute to the greatest artist to come from Seattle, Bing Crosby. Crosby was the godfather of home recording, having financed the Ampex startup and personally delivering the world's first multi-track recorder to his pal Les Paul. Paul and his wife went on to have dozens of top ten hits, most of which were recorded in his kitchen. 
 
I don't get the smoking pot and playing guitar reference. Nowadays it's smoking pot and vegging out in front of the TV watching reality shows. I prefer the old convention, and do my best to keep the tradition alive.


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Re: The birthplace and world capital of hippies... 2014/11/29 10:35:30 (permalink)
It's a great city with great scenery and history. When I was in my 20's I used to try and make it there for New Years. The clubs on Market St. had just about everything a young deviant rock and roller could ask for. It's got a cultural diversity that's up there with the worlds great cities. You'll enjoy it.
 
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Re: The birthplace and world capital of hippies... 2014/11/29 11:00:21 (permalink)
 
I watched a documentary series about the streets of San Francisco once.
 
As I recall, it wasn't much good. I certainly didn't find out much about the hardcore they used, or even the average depth of the tarmac.

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Re: The birthplace and world capital of hippies... 2014/11/29 15:01:07 (permalink)
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Well, I actually lived in San Francisco in 1968. 1967 was the Summer of Love. 1968 was the Summer of Man You Should Have Been Here Last Year. The flowers in the hair had been largely replaced by hopeless drug addicts and the crash pads had all been reupholstered and rented out to the gentry. By then Hippies were already a dying breed, so if you can find any actually alive in San Francisco today, they are probably like the costumed inhabitants of Colonial Williamsburg, performers paid to entertain the tourists. I was shopping in the Haight Ashbury neighborhood last July, and aside from finding an impressive collection of poorly made Tibetan trinkets, and bongs priced at over a grand it was not impressive. I did not see anyone who looked like a hippy who was not clearly an un-medicated schizophrenic, but you may have better luck.
 
As for music, you may have a point. I did attend a concert during my residence in 1968 at the Fillmore Auditorium with several hundred heavily medicated spectators and an even more heavily medicated band called The Grateful Dead, who managed to sustain one of the songs they had recorded on an album to a duration of well over twenty minutes at a deafening volume by the simple expedient of playing the refrain over and over endlessly. So if you found the albums from those groups self indulgent and undisciplined, well man, you should have been there in 1967.




Do you remember a place called "Lou's Swinging Den"? I believe it was on Haight but my memory is fuzzy. People on the street hawking the Berkeley Barb, hanging out asking for stuff. None of it would have been the same without Owsley Stanley.
Of course 1967 didn't get to GA until 1970... but still, "...every town must have a place where phony hippies meet; psychedelic dungeons popping up on every street, go... to... San Fran.. Cis.. cooo. How I love you, how I love you, how I love Frisco".
 
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Re: The birthplace and world capital of hippies... 2014/11/29 17:27:01 (permalink)
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...1967 was the Summer of Love. 1968 was the Summer of Man You Should Have Been Here Last Year. 
 

Good one. 
 
One minor correction from earlier...Bruce Lee is from Seattle, not San Francisco. His grave is a tourist destination, along with Hendrix's grave and the garage where Cobain blew his brains out.
 
What we don't have, AFAIK, is any tribute to the greatest artist to come from Seattle, Bing Crosby. Crosby was the godfather of home recording, having financed the Ampex startup and personally delivering the world's first multi-track recorder to his pal Les Paul. Paul and his wife went on to have dozens of top ten hits, most of which were recorded in his kitchen. 
 
I don't get the smoking pot and playing guitar reference. Nowadays it's smoking pot and vegging out in front of the TV watching reality shows. I prefer the old convention, and do my best to keep the tradition alive.




Yeah, Seattle is probably more significant, as is L.A. - but since he was born in San Francisco, one would think that they could have capitalized on that.
 
I don't think we're likely to visit Seattle anytime soon, but L.A. isn't unlikely.

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Re: The birthplace and world capital of hippies... 2014/11/30 04:19:05 (permalink)
From 2012:
Though no surprise to the 800,000 people who live in San Francisco, cities across the nation were humbled by the foggy metropolis when it was ranked number one inBloomberg Businessweek's annual America's 50 Best Cities list.
Utilizing Bloomberg Rankings, Businessweek.com evaluated 100 of the country's largest cities, considering recreational activities, economic health, air quality, safety, education and crime. And this year, San Francisco came out on top.
"It's certainly an honor for San Francisco to be named 'America's Best City,' and it's great to get recognition for the good work San Franciscans have done," wrote Mayor Ed Lee in a statement. "San Francisco is committed to being the best place to live, work and visit, and there is nowhere else on earth where you will find the economic opportunities and world-class events found in our great City."
Businessweek noted San Francisco's cultural centers, restaurants and nightlife, social and environmental causes and proximity to the prosperous Silicon Valley.
San Francisco neighbor, Oakland, also made this list, clocking in at 39--a far cry from number one, but still remarkably higher than Los Angeles.
Businessweek's list isn't the only recent mention of San Francisco and the Bay Area: earlier this month, Forbes listed San Francisco's Mission District as the second most hipster city in America (trailing LA's Silver Lake), and last week, San Jose was named the richest city in America. And in January, defying all odds, Oakland was named the number one city in America to visit by the New York Times.

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Re: The birthplace and world capital of hippies... 2014/11/30 15:34:31 (permalink)
San Francisco??
 
I am beginning to think that a better trip would be through Cemeteries along Route 66. (at night).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCYApJtsyd0
 
or perhaps a trip to Detroit.
Might work better for the music creativity of songs.
Really.

 
 
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Re: The birthplace and world capital of hippies... 2014/11/30 15:39:13 (permalink)
Yeah, but they don't have a Cirque show - which is the real reason we're flying to SF...

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Re: The birthplace and world capital of hippies... 2014/11/30 16:31:19 (permalink)
Oh, otherwise they have webcams of San Francisco.
http://www.earthcam.com/usa/california/sanfrancisco/?cam=rowingclub
 
I think they are doing a dis-service by not having webcams of Cemeteries across this Country though.
 
Well, have fun when you both go there.
 

 
 
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Re: The birthplace and world capital of hippies... 2014/11/30 17:04:14 (permalink)
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We've got a lot of hippies in Portland.  Many moved there from SF a long time ago.  I've met people with lots of interesting names like Star or Happiness up here.




 
'Happiness Up Here' is an interesting name

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Re: The birthplace and world capital of hippies... 2014/11/30 17:18:44 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Rain 2014/11/30 17:25:21
The 60's weren't just about drugs, free love and rock and roll; There were horrible moments too.

I remember having to endure one of Jerry Garcia's infamous two hour guitar solos; He just went on and on and on. I thought it would never end.

Even with the drugs it was a painful ordeal.

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Re: The birthplace and world capital of hippies... 2014/11/30 17:44:38 (permalink)
I've always been curious when it came to the influences of musicians I dug, so it was a natural thing for me to start investigating what went on before Metallica and Maiden and all those bands...
 
More often than not, I discovered bands which I ended up preferring to current acts - Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin, etc.
 
Eventually, I got into the 60s stuff - some of which I really liked. Some I tried very hard to like, because they supposedly embodied the spirit of the era, or were mythical - the Dead were one of those.
 
I could find things I like in just about everything from Iron Butterfly to Procol Harum to Mamas and Papas. But the Dead? Nope.
 
They're the first band I sampled though, back in the 90's, when I was still working with analog tape  - something off Infrared Roses, can't remember what...

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Re: The birthplace and world capital of hippies... 2014/11/30 17:53:15 (permalink)
I recommend anybody interested in fads of popular culture over the years read George Melly's great book 'Revolt into Style' although covering an early time-period and from a British perspective the commonaliity between all these movements whether it be 'Hippies', 'Punks' or anything in between is easy to spot.
 
Basically human nature is largely predictable it rebels against what is established and the resulting revolution then becomes the establishment itself, just rinse and repeat. Let the populist media define the name each movement should have along with a cartoon caricature of what it 'represented' then in 20 years that's what people will believe is what actually happened.
 
Yet if you asked a bunch of dudes and chicks that were holed up in some commune in Haight Ashbury in '67 and you'll get as many different perspectives as to what it was about equal to the amount of different people you ask.
 
All these movements are great to the extent they can effect a positive change, the one thing that blights them all though is the amount of pretentiousness that accompanies each one when it declares itself as being 'important'.  The kids of Kings Road toffs dressing up in Vivienne Westwood gear being championed by art school pseudo-intellectuals like Malcolm McClaren were probably bigger culprits for that type of garbage than any hippies IMO.

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Re: The birthplace and world capital of hippies... 2014/11/30 19:28:30 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Rain 2014/11/30 19:22:56
Man... like wow... reading this thread is like a flashback.

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Re: The birthplace and world capital of hippies... 2014/12/01 13:40:42 (permalink)
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Man... like wow... reading this thread is like a flashback.




Steady man.
 
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