Using SONAR to arrange and level tracks for a CD?

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2014/11/30 05:06:13 (permalink)

Using SONAR to arrange and level tracks for a CD?

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I have almost finished mastering an album for someone
 
I have been sent the stereo WAV file mixes over the past few months and have been mastering each track individually and sending back to the client for "sign off"
 
I will soon want to assemble the album using my mastered WAV files
 
I thought the easiest way would be to put each song on a separate track within a SONAR project to allow me to play with the order of the songs & the space between songs (by moving clips around) and make any level adjustments between songs
 
I am fine with setting this up but how would I then EXPORT this project for CD to retain track numbering, track names, etc.
 
I don't want a single 45minute WAV file (or do I?)
 
Has anyone done it this way or is there an easy / better way I am missing?
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    Karyn
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    Re: Using SONAR to arrange and level tracks for a CD? 2014/11/30 05:24:52 (permalink)
    You could export a single .WAV which you load into your CD burning software,  you'd also need to manually enter the track times so the burning software inserts the track markers at the right place.  A standard CD doesn't hold track name info.
     
    Or you could set markers where you want the track breaks to be and export individual songs using the selection.  You then queue these up in the CD burner, but you still won't get track names.

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    Re: Using SONAR to arrange and level tracks for a CD? 2014/11/30 06:18:03 (permalink)
    Yes Karen's right.
     
    Sonar will only get you so far with this - arranging the track order & relative levels is bread and butter for ANY daw
     
    What I do once this stage is reached is to export a 45 minute wav at 44.1/16
    This file is then imported into CD Architect which is used simply to insert track start markers and burn the CD

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    Re: Using SONAR to arrange and level tracks for a CD? 2014/11/30 07:05:30 (permalink)
    Export every song as a single wavfile and number the tracks 01.wav ... 02.wav ... 03.wav ...
    To leave space between the tracks let each clip end with 1 or 2 or 3 seconds of empty space. Don't cut exact at the end of the clip, let space end the end. Because there is no space by playing the audio-cd between tracks, you have to put silence ant the end of each clip.
     
     
     

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    Re: Using SONAR to arrange and level tracks for a CD? 2014/11/30 10:12:48 (permalink)
    For a very simple album you can probably just use separate .wav files. Most audio burning software will ask you how much space to put between the tracks, so you'll be ok.
     
    If doing it professionally, usually you will export a single .wav file and then generate a .cue file that refers to the wave file, and describes where in the .wav file all the track start and end points are. It would also include things like the UPC/EAN codes, the band name, track titles, etc.
     
    Some software will let you enter all this data, some will not. The cue file is plain text anyway so you can edit it directly, but the issue is making sure that all the information ends up on the disc (which is at the software's discretion).

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    Re: Using SONAR to arrange and level tracks for a CD? 2014/11/30 10:57:36 (permalink)
    SONAR's CD burning functions are really for doing audio reality checks, not preparing a CD for commercial release. Sony's CD Architect has been the "old standby" for this, and costs $112.95. However although I don't use Studio One Pro's multitrack capabilities, I do use the Project page for album assembly. It can do DDP exports, which is what a lot of duplicators want as you can simply upload the file online. It also has decent analytics, and is currently on sale at Musician's Friend for $199.50 - I doubt you'll see it for less. PreSonus calls it a "mastering" program (which is somewhat optimistic when compared to Sound Forge and Wavelab), but for assembly I prefer it to CD Architect.

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    Re: Using SONAR to arrange and level tracks for a CD? 2014/11/30 11:23:28 (permalink)
    Sonar = multi track recorder/sequencer/mixer= Finished Stereo file
    Wave Editor= Mastering/ leveling/ Top and Tail. 
    CD burning Software= Song order and spaces, 
     
    Sonar can do all of the above. But it really shines at the first task and is weaker for the second and third. Once you've used dedicated software for each task you will see the difference in workflow improvement. You'll never go back. 
     
    An example would be using Mirco Soft Word for Picture editing instead of Photoshop. 
     
    I use Nero 7  (now version 15)   $80.
    I think Sony's CD architect is the most advanced and the one used by pros.  $112
    Windows Media play also does just fine. 
    Try it , you'll like it... 
     
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    Re: Using SONAR to arrange and level tracks for a CD? 2014/11/30 12:35:14 (permalink)
    Looks interesting...

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    Re: Using SONAR to arrange and level tracks for a CD? 2014/11/30 13:28:07 (permalink)
    I use CD Architect for setting up for CD albums. I think its ideally suited to the task. All audio is exported from Sonar as independent wave files of 16 bit 44.1. 

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