Cube Ace Ate came out today.

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2014/12/03 18:56:47 (permalink)

Cube Ace Ate came out today.

 
You can learn more about it by clicking here.
 
I'm a big fan of the recently introduced chord track and audio tempo detection functions, and the new chord pads and MIDI tempo detection seem very useful.
 
There were a few things about the core tool set that I feel needed improvement but they were seemingly ignored. Warping, for example, doesn't work very well with the better sounding algorithms, and multi track quantizing, which was introduced in v7.5, needs some improvement to work as anyone who hears the term "multi track quantizing" might hope to expect. 20 years ago, I thought audio quantizing was silly but now I've come to expect it and it surely seems like it's a job that should be done in and by the DAW, without deal killer bugs, so it seems like it is something that should get a lot of focus and commitment, but it didn't.
 
It seems a bit disappointing to see that make believe bass amps, and extra drum kits have been added as stocking stuffers when core functionality is being left unattended. I don't know any bass players who do not have an amp, and most of the drummers I know want to bring over a drum set.
 
They added some new multi band effects and a tuner, but seeing how I don't use any of the effects that came with 7.5, I'm left thinking that it's just stuff for people who don't already have a set of favorite tools. The tuner seems cute, but I have learned that I can not stop working with the DAW just because the guitar player needs to tune. I have a handful of tuners to share with guests and my new favorite is the Peterson Strobotune on my iPhone. Using a DAW as a tuner is a waste of a couple billion CPU cycles.
 
Having said that, the new effects and the tuner seem, to me, like a waste of dev time.
 
They adding some docking windows, and I prefer floating windows any day of the week, so I'm pretty much disinterested in this. I sure hope the new docking behavior is not as annoying as it is in SONAR X.
 
I prefer to stay in track view exclusively, as I have worked, and still work on enough mixer consoles to feel that the console paradigm for mixing offline is yesterdays news, so the new Wave Meters and the VCA controls seem like an anachronism. Having said that, being reminded that the company's hardware partners make mix and production controllers that actually work makes me appreciate why they have enhanced the mix console functions further. They seem to be doing a great job for people who are willing to invest in quality controller hardware.
 
The VST Connect 3 seems like someone, somewhere, will enjoy it. I have humans visit my place so I have no interest in it. It seemed like you couldn't avoid installing it with v7.5. I wonder if I'll have to install the latest version even though I would rather not. I don't like the idea that it is looking for a network connection that my DAW doesn't have.
 
They say that the audio engine is more efficient. That is something I will definitely appreciate. I like to run hot and not worry about the dilithium crystals.
 
It is probably worth mentioning that the lanes and comping system is not as powerful as SONAR's. I'm not a fan of comping lanes, so it is just different shades of brown for me, but it would be nice to see them add mute and solo buttons so you had total flexibility with choosing what you want to listen to, just like SONAR does.  
 
My overall take is that we are 20+ years into the digital audio workstation revolution and there is still no single DAW that satisfies my needs for day to day work, while every single one of them is offered as part of a goobered up package overflowing with junk I don't care about.
 
I am kind of bummed that they didn't improve the warp tool issues, as that is the deal breaker that keeps me from using it as my gen2014+ all arounder.
 
I have been very impressed with v7.5 and looking forward to v8. I admire the way that this DAW has a lot of core tools built in to it that leverages musical knowledge. The tempo and chromatic tools are examples of the sort of augmentation I imagined all DAWs would have, but in 2014 they still seem pretty unique. The Scoring tools seem to be a great compliment to a DAW that has such powerful tempo tools. The promise of scoring within a DAW relies on tempo management and this DAW seems to have addressed the frustrations of attempting to place a grid upon a free played performance prior to converting the music to a score. It is a very exciting marriage of capability. 
 
I guess I'll have to wait another year to see if the warp tools will get the work they need.
 
In the mean time it will be interesting to become more familiar with the latest stuff.
 
 
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    stickman393
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    Re: Cube Ace Ate came out today. 2014/12/03 18:59:43 (permalink)
    I think they added a "freeze track" feature too? Looks clunkier to use than SONAR.
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    Re: Cube Ace Ate came out today. 2014/12/03 19:06:30 (permalink)
    Freeze is one button in v7.5. The audio file goes in the freeze folder. It seems pretty much just like freezing in SONAR. You even get a snow flake icon.
     
    I didn't get the impression that it was added in v7.5, I think it's been there a while.


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    Re: Cube Ace Ate came out today. 2014/12/03 19:31:46 (permalink)
    Great review Mike,  I agree there isn't a DAW that does absolutely everything that every user would want.  For my use, Sonar comes very close so I'll be sticking with it.

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    Re: Cube Ace Ate came out today. 2014/12/03 20:01:23 (permalink)
    mike_mccue
    Freeze is one button in v7.5. The audio file goes in the freeze folder. It seems pretty much just like freezing in SONAR. You even get a snow flake icon.
     
    I didn't get the impression that it was added in v7.5, I think it's been there a while.


     
    I was referring to "Render-in-Place" feature that they highlighted in the video here. I thought it was new... but perhaps they've just made it better.
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    Re: Cube Ace Ate came out today. 2014/12/03 20:04:29 (permalink)
    stickman393
    I was referring to "Render-in-Place" feature that they highlighted in the video here. I thought it was new... but perhaps they've just made it better.


    Yes, this feature is new. This function is probably most analogous to SONAR's Bounce to track feature.


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    Re: Cube Ace Ate came out today. 2014/12/03 20:04:59 (permalink)
    Karyn
    Great review Mike,  I agree there isn't a DAW that does absolutely everything that every user would want.  For my use, Sonar comes very close so I'll be sticking with it.




    Thanks Karyn!


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    Re: Cube Ace Ate came out today. 2014/12/08 12:13:21 (permalink)
    "My overall take is that we are 20+ years into the digital audio workstation revolution and there is still no single DAW that satisfies my needs for day to day work, while every single one of them is offered as part of a goobered up package overflowing with junk I don't care about."
     
    I love this statement my feelings 100% too. 
     
    Thanks for the overview, well done. You got to the point on stuff that matters instead of the usual long winded boring reviews that go into detail of stuff I don't care about either. 
     
    How is the Wave editing in 7.5? I have Cubase 5 LE and so it's certainly nothing to compare to Sonar Pro or Studio. I use it to fix MIDI events that Sonar seems not be able to do like the hidden PG message. Cubase certainly shines at Midi editing. But the one thing I like is when you click on an audio track, it opens in a Wave Lab type environment. I hate having to tool copy to wave lab all the time. 
     
    Also do most of Sonars VST's and effects show in the Cubase effect bins? 
     
    For me Cubase would certainly cost a lot more than I paid for Studio. 
    Assuming that Artist is similar to Sonars Studio: 
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    $ 449.99  for Pro upgrade from Cubase  LE.     $ 319 for Sonar Producer Upgrade from LE 
     

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    Re: Cube Ace Ate came out today. 2014/12/08 12:33:54 (permalink)
    Does the QueueBass forum have a gaggle of unfunny users like we have here?
     
    Are their Forum Hosts better or worse than ours?
     
    Is snark allowed?
     
    Do they serve popcorn?
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    Re: Cube Ace Ate came out today. 2014/12/08 12:47:59 (permalink)
    Funny you should ask.


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    Re: Cube Ace Ate came out today. 2014/12/08 18:01:05 (permalink)
    I switched from SONAR to Cubase a while back because Cubase had two things I really like and use a lot: a much better tempo editor than SONAR (I realize this won't be a high priority with most folks) and better MIDI capabilities - MIDI sends in particular.  This latest release of Cubase has left me underwhelmed.  Maybe the heralded performance improvements will be of benefit - too early to tell on that one.  Other than that, the only thing that really floats my boat is the VST manager - something SONAR has had for ages.  It would take very little for SONAR to win me back, but I fear my priorities are hardly mainstream, so I'll probably stay put for a very long time.
     
    Oh yeah, one more thing.  Cubase 8 requires that you use Aero graphics if you're on Win 7.  I *hate* Aero graphics.  To me they look like Microsoft's attempt to capture the fancy of a generation of users plagued with ADD,  The iGeneration.  Aero is ugly, ugly, ugly - far too gaudy and garish compared to the Windows classic UI themes.  Now I must have Aero enabled for everything I do on my DAW.  Cakewalk, please take note in case that sort of thinking was starting to enter your thinking.  Be advised, there are a lot of unhappy campers in Steinberg land over this "improvement".
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    Re: Cube Ace Ate came out today. 2014/12/08 18:03:32 (permalink)
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    Funny you should ask.


    Punny you should notice.
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    Re: Cube Ace Ate came out today. 2014/12/08 18:35:57 (permalink)
    I've been running my current DAW for two years with out any evidence of Aero effects, yet when I went to look I found that the two system performance selections that I needed to have selected were already selected.
     
    The easiest way to get those selections selected is to use an Aero theme, and yes, the warning dialog says "you don't have Aero" or something like that, but if I am willing to open up the Systems>Performance dialog and confirm that just two small conditions are selected I can continue to use a Windows 7 Basic theme and I don't have to view an Aero theme. 


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    Re: Cube Ace Ate came out today. 2014/12/08 23:51:05 (permalink)
    bapu
    Does the QueueBass forum have a gaggle of unfunny users like we have here?
     
    Are their Forum Hosts better or worse than ours?
     
    Is snark allowed?
     
    Do they serve popcorn?


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    Re: Cube Ace Ate came out today. 2014/12/10 13:14:59 (permalink)
    mike_mccue
    Having said that, the new effects and the tuner seem, to me, like a waste of dev time.



    Check out the new Quadrafuzz. It's an update of my original design so they didn't have to spend a lot of time on it. No other DAW incorporates similar four-band multiband processing in a single effect (however TH2 can do biamped processing). You would need to get something like iZotope Trash or Guitar Rig, which can set up multiple splits.
     
    Unfortunately the new QFuzz won't load in other hosts so in SONAR, I have a track preset that includes the effects needed to replicate what the Quadrafuzz does. I also still have the 1.0 Steinberg version, which loads into SONAR.
     
    As to warping, for just taking any file, bringing it in, and having it quantized, I have yet to find anything better than the pro algorithm Ableton Live uses. I bet it cost a bunch to license...it's outstanding and no one else has it. It's something Traktor should have!!!! I use Live to prep the files so that they're consistent enough for Traktor, which can't do warping (a major drawback in an otherwise stellar DJ program).

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    Re: Cube Ace Ate came out today. 2014/12/10 14:10:22 (permalink)
    I just went and dug through one of my boxes o stuff:
     
     

     
     


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    Re: Cube Ace Ate came out today. 2014/12/10 14:31:35 (permalink)
    Anderton
    As to warping, for just taking any file, bringing it in, and having it quantized, I have yet to find anything better than the pro algorithm Ableton Live uses. I bet it cost a bunch to license...it's outstanding and no one else has it. 



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    Re: Cube Ace Ate came out today. 2014/12/10 15:26:08 (permalink)
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