mike_mccue
I wish SONAR had VCA style fader control.

 
Hey Mike!
 
I'm guessing there is something about VCA Fader Control...
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/sep08/articles/vcagroups.htm
that I don't understand. Using groups in Sonar, I can have things move relatively to each other, or inversely (one down the other up).
When you add two items to a group and then ctrl+click and move one you adjust relative distance between them. Then when you move them they maintain that relationship. You can set min and max values for movements.
 
All this is to say, could you explain what you want to be able to do that you can't?
 
Now, with fairness, the RME Total Mix takes relative fader movements to a whole new level where you can have N different sets of mixes and move all the faders together relatively (this is called trim mode). That is totally awesome when mixing 4 different headphones sends plus mains where the relative volumes stay sort of consistent. I'll agree that Sonar doesn't make anything like this easy. It would be a major change for Sonar to support this kind of mixing scenario. Sonar, to me, seems all about really mixing down to a single set of outputs at a time (like stereo pair or surround set). I have never tried mixing many different outputs at once (consider different headphone mixes for all the band members).
 
Respect.

mike_mccue
One thing that you can do with VCAs is change the level of a single, grouped, track without having to press ctrl, which is helpful when both hands are busy doing something like adjusting faders, or pictures of faders on a touch screen, and you aren't flexible enough to get your big toe up to your QWERTY controller.

 
POK answers that, and many other issues with a variety of programs. It's much cheaper than a console full of VCAs, adds no noise or distortion, and exhibits no control voltage feedthrough 
 

@TomH...
Sorry for being obnoxious this morning. Just hit me wrong.
 
I just happened to bump into a short list of artists using Sonar and as you asked today, I came back to share it...
 
http://www.xtempozone.com/wordpress/resources/sonar/
 
Musicians like Tom Hamilton from Aerosmith, Jimmy Buffet, B.B. King, three members of System of a Down, and John Anderson from Yes. Not to mention DJs and remixers such as Doug DeAngelis (Madonna, Nine Inch Nails, The Pet Shop Boys, et al), and Wu-Tan Clan. And producers including Bone Harris (Marylin Manson, Smashing Pumpkins, etc.), Jimmy Nichols (Reba McEntire, Elton John, etc.), and others.

TomHelvey
because Sonar blows up for so many regularly. 

 
Excellent statistics, I'd say.
 
Maybe I'm a 1%'er?

One reason musicians use Sonar is its easy to get things done with it.  I know I like it for that reason too. 

gswitz
I just happened to bump into a short list of artists using Sonar and as you asked today, I came back to share it...
 
http://www.xtempozone.com/wordpress/resources/sonar/
 
Musicians like Tom Hamilton from Aerosmith, Jimmy Buffet, B.B. King, three members of System of a Down, and Jon Anderson from Yes. Not to mention DJs and remixers such as Doug DeAngelis (Madonna, Nine Inch Nails, The Pet Shop Boys, et al), and Wu-Tan Clan. And producers including Bone Harris (Marylin Manson, Smashing Pumpkins, etc.), Jimmy Nichols (Reba McEntire, Elton John, etc.), and others.

You can also add Brian Hardgroove (Public Enemy, Bootsy Collins) to the list.

To the OP: Another win win lose lose thread. Use what you want and let us know the best one for you. 

Ted Nugent uses SONAR.

Ted Nugent ordered the boxed set of Sonar discs, and sneaks up on deer and CLUBS them with it.
 
Bob Bone
 

robert_e_bone
 

FYI: Avast flagged something contained on the page at the above link as being infected with something called HideLink, when I clicked on it.
 
Bob Bone



I'm having the same issue. Can't access the page.

I haven't worked with Logic enough in recent times to comment on its stability. I hear that X is worse than 9 in that respect, although the auto-save feature is better. ProTools is one of the few DAWs I've never used at all. Comparing Live to Sonar I would probably call Live a bit more stable, though I've had it crash too. Not to mention that Live doesn't even support ARA, VST3 or have its own bitbridge, all of which have been sources for problems in Sonar. It's easy to not have problems if you don't support a feature at all. All in all I've had more issues with my M-Audio Fast Track Pro driver than with either DAW.
 
I don't think that Sonar is a lot more "crashy" than other programs. I've been able to trace back most crashes to Melodyne, to be honest. Which sucks, because I love and need Melodyne. 
Windows machines in general are, sadly, indeed more vulnerable to driver and configuration issues. CoreAudio is just a great protocol and MME is not (which is why ASIO even exists). But this is more a greyscale than a black and white issues, I've seen Macs crap out too and weeks go by without my Windows system crashing. I'm hoping/dreading a new audio standard will arrive with Windows 10. Craig has commented Microsoft is finally thinking about addressing the ****ed 10 midi devices limit too. Both of those things are outside of Sonar's scope of control, yet hugely important to people's problems.
 
What I would like to see from Cakewalk is better organized preferences within Sonar. There has been another long thread about this but I would personally like to see ONE unified screen where you set up your audio device, instead of one where you choose the driver standard, one where you set the bit depth and timing master and one where you choose which ins and outs to enable. I really like Ableton's audio preferences in this respect. I think it would do a lot for the understanding of the average starting user to find all those things in a single screen. I still find myself often clicking the wrong one initially and flipping through the three to get to what I need.