tyros5
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bass compressor vst
Still I have not found any compressor that can sustain the sound of the low, linear, as well as in the video. https://www.youtube....h?v=7nETgHogKi4 Minutes 1:38 from now on
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Re: bass compressor vst
2014/12/07 00:11:50
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Have you tried the vc160 (dbx 160) vst by Native Instruments?
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tyros5
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Re: bass compressor vst
2014/12/07 00:36:35
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gustabo
Have you tried the vc160 (dbx 160) vst by Native Instruments?
vintage  ,,, I wanted to for a modern bass,
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Re: bass compressor vst
2014/12/07 09:02:28
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I like how The Glue sounds on my modern bass but I much prefer the vc160. Try The Glue
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Re: bass compressor vst
2014/12/07 10:28:23
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The bass does sound great in that recording, but I doubt it's a matter of finding the right plugin in order to achieve that quality. It's about the skill of the engineer, as well as that of the bass player.
I would guess that the bass in that song was recorded direct, then an amp sim was added. I could be wrong about that, it could have been miked and just played extraordinarily well. That's how they did it at Motown, where they got a similar quality using only low-tech methods.
I draw no distinction between vintage and modern - good is good. It's just that nowadays people assume that anything can be easily and quickly achieved using digital signal processing, and that understanding sound isn't important anymore. Those people are always on a perpetual hunt for the perfect compressor, EQ, reverb, channel strip, console emulator, etc. etc. etc. It's what sustains the plugin industry, but it's based on a myth.
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tyros5
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Re: bass compressor vst
2014/12/07 11:10:43
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bitflipper
The bass does sound great in that recording, but I doubt it's a matter of finding the right plugin in order to achieve that quality. It's about the skill of the engineer, as well as that of the bass player.
I would guess that the bass in that song was recorded direct, then an amp sim was added. I could be wrong about that, it could have been miked and just played extraordinarily well. That's how they did it at Motown, where they got a similar quality using only low-tech methods.
I draw no distinction between vintage and modern - good is good. It's just that nowadays people assume that anything can be easily and quickly achieved using digital signal processing, and that understanding sound isn't important anymore. Those people are always on a perpetual hunt for the perfect compressor, EQ, reverb, channel strip, console emulator, etc. etc. etc. It's what sustains the plugin industry, but it's based on a myth.
Somebody once put it this way on Gearslutz:
"Artistic Types + Money - Technical Training = Business Opportunity"
OK thanks, I use http://www.amplesound.net/en/pro-pd.asp?id=9 Ample sound Bass I have tested several plugin but any leaves the low with the linear sound
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Re: bass compressor vst
2014/12/07 11:54:30
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ok, this is another thread that should really be in Techniques...
Using a "fake" bass like ample sound you're never going to get that sound you're after. The VSTi will decay the sound whatever you do to it afterwards with compressors.
On the other hand, a real bass into a real amp (particularly if the amp has it's own compressor) will sustain almost indefinitely if played/setup correctly. This is down to feedback from the amp to bass which is impossible to create with a soft synth.
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tyros5
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Re: bass compressor vst
2014/12/07 12:01:38
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Karyn
ok, this is another thread that should really be in Techniques...
Using a "fake" bass like ample sound you're never going to get that sound you're after. The VSTi will decay the sound whatever you do to it afterwards with compressors.
On the other hand, a real bass into a real amp (particularly if the amp has it's own compressor) will sustain almost indefinitely if played/setup correctly. This is down to feedback from the amp to bass which is impossible to create with a soft synth.
Thanks Karyn
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Re: bass compressor vst
2014/12/07 14:38:07
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Can you elaborate on the term "linear sound"? Are you after longer sustains? A sampled stringed instrument is going to naturally exhibit non-linear decays, because that's the nature of vibrating strings. "Linearity" isn't a word I normally associate with sampled instruments. Or are you referring to spectral distribution, perhaps seeking an instrument that emphasizes low frequencies? Usually, we're struggling to achieve consistent levels on basses. I'd be happy with a bass that was linear in terms of levels, but that's rare among sample libraries. I noticed that in your sample that bass has a lot of distortion on it for such a mellow tune, but it's rolled off on the high notes. You can do that kind of thing with any clean DI bass samples by adding an amp sim or distortion plugin. The distortion helps low notes cut through the mix, but is less-pronounced on high notes. Definitely a "non-linear" effect. I use Voxengo Boogex for that on bass. It's a free download, give it a try.
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tyros5
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Re: bass compressor vst
2014/12/07 15:49:23
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Re: bass compressor vst
2014/12/07 15:49:43
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Can you elaborate on the term "linear sound"? Are you after longer sustains?
A sampled stringed instrument is going to naturally exhibit non-linear decays, because that's the nature of vibrating strings. "Linearity" isn't a word I normally associate with sampled instruments.
Or are you referring to spectral distribution, perhaps seeking an instrument that emphasizes low frequencies? Usually, we're struggling to achieve consistent levels on basses. I'd be happy with a bass that was linear in terms of levels, but that's rare among sample libraries.
I noticed that in your sample that bass has a lot of distortion on it for such a mellow tune, but it's rolled off on the high notes. You can do that kind of thing with any clean DI bass samples by adding an amp sim or distortion plugin. The distortion helps low notes cut through the mix, but is less-pronounced on high notes. Definitely a "non-linear" effect. I use Voxengo Boogex for that on bass. It's a free download, give it a try.
listen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nETgHogKi4 Minuts 1:38 from now on The bass never wanes
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Re: bass compressor vst
2014/12/07 16:01:20
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As a bass player, what your hearing is a bass with great sustain and played by a great player. Not all basses are the same. I had an Ibanez bass at one time that was great for slapping and popping but had no sustain. The Fender I have now has pretty good sustain but not like the older Precision bass I used to play about a 100 years ago in the early 1980s. There is no special plug ins that will help unless you have something special to begin with.
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Re: bass compressor vst
2014/12/07 16:49:08
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Consider using a sampled or synthesized bass, tyros5. It's easier to control the attack and sustain on a sampled/synthesized bass than a real one. If you want a real bass to sustain longer, use new strings, turn it up louder, and hit the strings softer. If that's not enough sustain, try to hit the strings about half-way between the fretted note and the bridge.
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