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2014/12/09 12:47:56 (permalink)

How many DAWs can do this?

I had a Wurli keys chord progression and some drumming set up in a project today and I was struggling to come up with some lyrics so I switched off my speakers, added a audio track, set the input, hooked up a 58, brought the 58 to my mixing desk, put on my headphones, and hit record so I could try some scratch tracking.
 
As soon as I started singing I realized the vocal return through my headphones was too quiet. I kept singing while the DAW kept recording as I rerouted the output of the track from the Main Outs to my "master bus", turned up the track volume level, added an insert of Fab Filter Q2, set up a low cut and a tilt shift filter, added an insert of FabFilter Pro-C, and tweaked some compressor settings to make the vocals sound clear and loud.
 
I don't think I have ever added effects in my DAW while recording and monitoring round trip through the DAW before today.
 
It was nice because I wanted to get the vocal melody line recorded while it was in my head, and it was helpful to be able to quickly set it up so I could hear what I was singing.
 
It made me wonder; How many DAWs can do this in 2014?


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Re: How many DAWs can do this? 2014/12/09 13:27:08 (permalink)
As long as you have low round-trip latency (and the machine can sustain the the load)... you're golden.

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Re: How many DAWs can do this? 2014/12/09 13:43:19 (permalink)
My machine seems to run pretty darn good. ;-)
 
It was adding the FX in the DAW while the transport was recording that seemed special to me. I never did that before, and I think it is because I used to think I could not add FX in the DAW while the recording was happening.


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Re: How many DAWs can do this? 2014/12/09 14:38:03 (permalink)
Sonar?

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Re: How many DAWs can do this? 2014/12/09 14:48:33 (permalink)
Can you add FX to the FX bin in SONAR X while actively recording? In SONAR 8.5 you can't do it, and you can't change the output routing on the fly either. Maybe you can with X???
 
One thing I do really like about SONAR is the ability to arm a track and/or initiate a record in the middle of playback. That has been really useful to me.
 


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Re: How many DAWs can do this? 2014/12/09 16:30:59 (permalink)
When I play back a midi drum track, I usually have AD2 and BFD2 set up and flip between them to find the best sound. Same goes for simple plugs like a chorus. I didn't know I wasn't supposed to do it, but it worked.
 
I guess ignorance can be your friend at times.

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Re: How many DAWs can do this? 2014/12/09 16:33:54 (permalink)
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It made me wonder; How many DAWs can do this in 2014?


So far, one. Yours.
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Re: How many DAWs can do this? 2014/12/09 16:35:52 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby mike_mccue 2014/12/09 16:48:09
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mike_mccue
It made me wonder; How many DAWs can do this in 2014?


So far, one. Yours.

 
 
They ain't be much of 2014 left.
 
 
Enjoy it while you cam McQ.
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Re: How many DAWs can do this? 2014/12/09 16:44:38 (permalink)
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It was nice because I wanted to get the vocal melody line recorded while it was in my head, and it was helpful to be able to quickly set it up so I could hear what I was singing.

 
Yeah, I can see that hitting the stop and start button & Ctll-Z as bookends to all that other activity will just kill the creativity.
 
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Re: How many DAWs can do this? 2014/12/09 16:56:49 (permalink)
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Can you add FX to the FX bin in SONAR X while actively recording? In SONAR 8.5 you can't do it, and you can't change the output routing on the fly either. Maybe you can with X???
 
One thing I do really like about SONAR is the ability to arm a track and/or initiate a record in the middle of playback. That has been really useful to me.



Back in the day, you used to have to stop the transport for a lot of operations.
 
Samplitude was one of the first DAWs (for PC) where many things could be done on-the-fly.
Logic Audio (PC) was also good in this regard.  The realtime/non-destructive quantize was awesome.
For me, that created a whole new level of (realtime) expectation.
 
Nowadays, as Cakewalk users we have a lot more options available on-the-fly.
 
 

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Re: How many DAWs can do this? 2014/12/09 17:00:40 (permalink)
I guess I'll go ahead and list SONAR X as a "maybe"?
 
Maybe someone will try to add a FX to the FX bin while recording on the same track and report back.


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Re: How many DAWs can do this? 2014/12/09 17:07:59 (permalink)
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Maybe someone will try to add a FX to the FX bin while recording on the same track and report back.


That's a negative.
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Re: How many DAWs can do this? 2014/12/09 17:08:38 (permalink)
Could do it while playing.
 
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Re: How many DAWs can do this? 2014/12/09 17:09:55 (permalink)
Here's a thought McQ. Some FXs introduce latencey. Would you want to add that while in the midst of recording?
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Re: How many DAWs can do this? 2014/12/09 17:14:04 (permalink)
So now you have to stop and think "is this plug going to get me out of sync?" before adding it to your track while recording.
 
That's a buzz kill, no?
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Re: How many DAWs can do this? 2014/12/09 17:41:24 (permalink)
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So now you have to stop and think "is this plug going to get me out of sync?" before adding it to your track while recording.
 
That's a buzz kill, no?


 
Major buzz kill.
 
The thing is I was already singing, I reached down and added the effects, before I thought that I couldn't. That was pretty cool. Setting up parameters is something I can do in my sleep, so it just sort of worked out fine. I grabbed the idea and I had in my head and got it recorded, and if I added any latency on that one track it was worth it.
 
I was surprised it worked.
 
 
 
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Re: How many DAWs can do this? 2014/12/09 17:45:38 (permalink)
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So now you have to stop and think "is this plug going to get me out of sync?" before adding it to your track while recording.
 
That's a buzz kill, no?


 
Major buzz kill.
 
The thing is I was already singing, I reached down and added the effects, before I knew thought that I couldn't. That was pretty cool. Setting up parameters is something I can do in my sleep, so it just sort of worked out fine. I grabbed the idea and I had in my head and got it recorded, and if I added any latency on that one track it was worth it.
 
I was surprised it worked.


I meant noticeable latency. When in play mode in X3e some plugs when added will get the track out of sync. Buzz Kill.
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Re: How many DAWs can do this? 2014/12/09 17:58:24 (permalink)
Yeah, when I add a plugin to SONAR 8.5 when I am playing back I get this thing that sounds like a "gap".
 
What I did today, while recording, didn't make any sort of interruption that I could hear.  


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Re: How many DAWs can do this? 2014/12/09 18:01:38 (permalink)
mike asking a question to get a load of "sonar head nodders" is a bit weak.. I use a few things beside sonar, I can point out weak area's in all 4 things. you are a tad biased, or haven't used rival products ?
 
 
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Re: How many DAWs can do this? 2014/12/09 20:29:20 (permalink)
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mike asking a question to get a load of "sonar head nodders" is a bit weak.. I use a few things beside sonar, I can point out weak area's in all 4 things. you are a tad biased, or haven't used rival products ?



I think Mike was saying he thought SONAR doesn't do this. But it does. Not a feature I'd use, though.

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Re: How many DAWs can do this? 2014/12/09 22:20:10 (permalink)
I definitely add FX and mix in RME TotalMix while capturing recordings using RME DigiCheck. Heck I massively mix the band turning things on and off all night. It's purpose built for it and works great imho.
 
So, when I'm just capturing a performance where I'm sending to monitors and mains, this is a great tool and enables me to add and subtract FX all night long without a hiccup.
 
In Sonar, when maybe I'm playing along to pre-recorded tracks or practicing a guitar part 500 times, hitting stop is not an issue for me. I obviously had never noticed that I can't add FX while recording in Sonar. Usually when I'm recording in Sonar my hands are full of guitar.
 
So, I can imagine starting some loop to practice for an hour and when I take a break letting the loop keep playing and me reaching over and dragging some FX from the browser into the PC or adding new PC Modules. Not having to hit stop would be a nice feature. And you could mildly increase the timing of the output maybe without impacting the incoming recording... right? and maybe crossfade the new and old signals together so the user doesn't suffer more than necessary? Now, if you add a heavy convolution reverb, you get what you deserve. X4? Isn't that supposed to come out this week?

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I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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