[Solved] strange mastering

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2014/12/13 20:22:33 (permalink)

[Solved] strange mastering

hi everyone, I have a good one for you all. I recently completed my record, 19 songs. I sent them off to the mastering studio and when I got them back all the panning was reversed, what I mean is, when I recorded the songs then bounced them down to stereo I had  one guitar coming out of the right channel and another guitar coming out of the left. somehow when the songs were mastered right became left and left became right.
I don't know what to do, I just got off the phone with the mastering guy and he's telling me that he has no idea what happened.
my question is, does anyone know what i'm talking about and does anyone know how I can fix it. should I tell the mastering guy to redo everything? it's really bugging me, I've also paid this guy $1000
any ideas?
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    Re: strange mastering 2014/12/13 20:53:28 (permalink)
    So is it just the guitar or the whole mix where left and right has been swapped? You have listened again to the actual audio files you gave to the mastering facility?

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    Re: strange mastering 2014/12/13 21:10:11 (permalink)
    thanks for getting back to me. yeah, everything is switched. what was right is now left, I can't think of any way to fix this. really sucks

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    Re: strange mastering 2014/12/13 21:12:20 (permalink)
    yes, I have listened to what I sent and it's exactly what I wanted. that's the first thing I thought of, however, I've been living with this record for ages, I would have never sent it. 

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    Re: strange mastering 2014/12/13 21:36:00 (permalink)
    I'd await further comments, but I would first talk to the guy and ask him what's up. Might be just a simple mistake he made. Seems a bit odd how he would make it unless he tranferred from a tape master (A to D) and got the output leads inverted.

    Make sure he didn't screw with the phase as well I suggest.

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    Re: strange mastering 2014/12/13 22:50:21 (permalink)
    bad mastering is bad mastering.

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    Re: strange mastering 2014/12/14 11:36:07 (permalink)
    first, I need to thank whoever it was that changed the "topic" thanks. now I need to thank all of you for your ideas. last night, right before I feel to sleep I got an idea. what would happen if I reversed the output going to the monitors? what happened is what want. however, I need some way burn a new CD with the corrected panning.
    i'm wondering if I load the songs into computer #1, then run the left/right wires to my interface with the channels inverted, or I could leave them normal because it's the output I need to change left to right and right to left. then just burn a new CD. does that make any sense?
    let's see

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    Re: strange mastering 2014/12/14 15:48:43 (permalink)
    Don't know if it will do what you want perfectly or not, but Sonar's Channel Tools plugin can swap the left and right channels.

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    Re: strange mastering 2014/12/14 16:54:25 (permalink)
    It is simple enough to load the entire 19 files into a wave editor and swap the L/R channels as a batch process.
     
    As for the guy that mastered for you, it just means he used a tool somewhere that had a "Reverse Channels" setting selected and he didn't realise.  If you're happy with the sound he gave your tracks, the L/R is easily fixable.

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    Re: strange mastering 2014/12/14 16:59:40 (permalink)
    Channel Tools is the perfect solution.
     
    Just drop it in on your Master Bus and hit the Swap button

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    Re: strange mastering 2014/12/14 19:36:22 (permalink)
    If you're not happy with the product; hold the Mastering guy accountable.
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    Re: strange mastering 2014/12/14 20:34:03 (permalink)
    If the mastering engineer doesn't say "no problem," loads the files, reverses the channels, then re-saves, you might consider a new mastering engineer. Just make sure something in your system isn't reversed first, either in terms of record or playback.
     
    A lot depends on what the engineer is doing but if the end result is a disk image or DDP file, it's easy to reverse the channels in just about any DAW or digital audio editing program.

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    Re: strange mastering 2014/12/14 20:38:22 (permalink)
    I would still strongly recommend first to talk to the guy who did it and find out what happened in case something else unpredictable crops up later. It may seem like a simple fix as others have explained, and it probably is but don't get caught out (in case of other problems that might have not been seen yet).
     
    If he supplied an ISO image for a CD it may well need to be rebuilt (if there are cross fades between tracks then it gets more complex).
     
    Toby has the right idea, but be nice everybody makes stupid mistakes... :)
    If he/she is untouchable and unapproachable then I agree with Craig, I know you can get some drama queens who can take things far too much on a personal level (blinding them somewhat), rather than want do the right thing...
     
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    Re: strange mastering 2014/12/15 00:50:07 (permalink)
    If the channel switch occurred before the ME applied other distortions another reverse pan may sound off. Things like widening reverb and delays and other fxs may become phasey skewed or jumbled ... I do not know.

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    Re: strange mastering 2014/12/15 07:23:18 (permalink)
    It's not going to mess anything up, reverb or otherwise, just by reversing the channels. It's no different to wearing your headphones back to front or simply facing away from you monitors.

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    Re: strange mastering 2014/12/15 10:44:21 (permalink)
    First, verify that it's not you that has something reversed. It's easy to accidentally swap cables when tidying up or reconfiguring your rig. Plug some headphones into your interface and verify that the mains are wired the same way as what you hear in the headphones.
     
    Once you've determined that you don't have a problem with your own setup, re-read Craig's answer. The ME should have offered to reverse it for you at no charge.


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    Re: strange mastering 2014/12/15 11:12:22 (permalink)
    first, I really don't no how to post that the problem or inquirer has been solved, I would appreciate anyone telling me how to do that, because I have asked a lot of questions here over the years.
    second, now that is out of the way. I want to thank everyone who responded to my problem and told me how to fix it.
    right now I'm half way through the project but needed to say thanks.
    the channel tools plug in is exactly what I needed. ****ing brilliant, works great. the next thing i'll do is contact the mastering studio and informs  him he has some wires crossed.
    again, thank you to everyone and have a happy Christmas.
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    Re: strange mastering 2014/12/15 15:22:08 (permalink)
    Hi Joey, just edit your first post and change the title to include [Solved] or [Answered] or [Fixed] whatever it appropriate.
     
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    Re: strange mastering 2014/12/15 20:03:06 (permalink)
    Leave all cables connected as they are.
    Don't mess with anything in software
    Take the right side speaker and move it to the position of the left one
    Take the left one and move it to the position of the right one
     
    Done... problem solved
     
     

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