davdud101
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Farewell
(Somewhat.) I've had a fantastic 3-or-so years hanging out with and learning from you guys. But lately, I've sort-of found that my style is changing rapidly in a way that makes it difficult for me to get the mixing and songwriting tips I'm hoping/looking for. I'm looking to bounce to a community that will take more of an electronic/pop edge on mixing and production in general rather than SONAR-specialized. I also hope I can find somewhere I'll get a little more traction.
I'm not LEAVING! I'll be asking/answering SONAR specific questions here, I'll keep listening and giving feedback and stuff.
Thanks for the awesome times, this has been invaluable!
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You can belong to more than one forum.
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Re: Farewell
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2014/12/14 11:01:29
mudgel You can belong to more than one forum.
Oh no! I think Ed just passed out after reading that! Alas, poor Bapu, I knew his post count Horatio...
Time for all of you to head over to Beyond My DAW!
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sharke
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mudgel You can belong to more than one forum.
Exactly! I'm a member of another couple of forums and also hang out "anonymously" at a couple of others. I dabble in electronic music too and even though the Sonar forum seems to be populated by people of more traditional musical styles, loads of the most relevant and useful audio advice applies to all styles. Most of us want warm, punchy, vibrant mixes. Of course if you're looking to ask questions about EDM synth design then a forum like Gearslutz might be more relevant. On the flip side, I often find EDM based communities to be very ego driven. A lot of those guys have very fixed ideas about how a track should sound and will shout down any kind of dissent. They can also be very anal about the excruciatingly tedious definitions of EDM genres and sub-genres. Personally I believe that the online culture has almost ruined the electronic music culture - back in the late 80's/early 90's a lot of the excitement in the electro music scene came from the fact that nobody really knew what they were doing - there were few rules and it was all about people grappling about in their own little worlds, coming up with their own ways of approaching sound design, arrangement and mixing. That's where the likes of Aphex Twin came from. Now it's like you can go online and learn these "music by numbers" approaches to making tracks and everyone's heads are swimming with the terminology - intros, build ups, risers, bass drops etc. They learn the formulas and snap them into place. The result is an explosion of tracks which pretty much sound the same as each other. I fast forward past them on Spotify all the time For me the best electronic music producers are those who listen to a wide range of genres from past and present and incorporate those influences in their own experimental dabblings. Sometimes I'll come across a truly great electro track and I can hear Frank Zappa or the Mahavishnu Orchestra in there. Diversity is the key. No need to say goodbye to any one forum or another - you'll pickup invaluable tidbits from all of them, no matter what the dominant genres are.
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Although I'm a member of a couple dozen forums, I only really participate regularly on four and not that much any more. Not even counting this forum, I have well over 100,000 posts on four others over the last ten plus years (though one that I had about 44,000 on is no longer around).
Time for all of you to head over to Beyond My DAW!
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There are other forums?
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davdud101 Farewell
I'm not LEAVING!
Aloha, Aloha.
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@Davdud - when you find this more generalized forum of mixing approaches and techniques, I would hope you would post some of the links to them back here. I also tend to look outside the box when learning things like mixing, which has so many nuances and interesting things to learn and to try. And, I would do the same, posting things I would think benefit this community here as well, so that all can broaden our understand of this beautiful and yet sometimes #Q@%)#^!)*^!^)*( frustrating passion of ours. :) Bob Bone
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Re: Farewell
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☄ Helpfulby Rain 2014/12/14 14:40:18
Great post, sharke. ...I often find EDM based communities to be very ego driven. A lot of those guys have very fixed ideas about how a track should sound and will shout down any kind of dissent. They can also be very anal about the excruciatingly tedious definitions of EDM genres and sub-genres. Substitute any genre for "EDM" (e.g. "_____ Metal") that appeals primarily to 15- to 25-year-olds and the statement holds true. It isn't exclusively youngsters that fall prey to the me-too syndrome, they're just the most up-front about their desire to mimic their idols because they're desperate for peer acceptance. Guys my age also persist in a fascination with how the Beatles got this or that sound, or expect a string section to sound like Mantovani, brass like John Williams, drums like John Bonham, and synth patches like Rick Wakeman. I try to be open-minded, but I've got my own nits regarding musical taxonomy, too. I don't like the way the term "R&B" is used today. It's not particularly rhythmic and it has no connection to blues. Sam Cooke's "Let the Good Times Roll", that's R&B. Alicia Keys, talented lady but sorry, not R&B. Blues is an ocean of sameness. The biggest-selling blues record of all time was the result of a traditional blues guy taking a creative chance by adding a string section and abandoning the standard 12-bar chord progression. It was a one-time event and it hasn't happened again. Every blues guy today is interchangeable with every other. I take issue with what they call "Country" now, too. Seems this is where melodic rock 'n roll has taken refuge. Some truly excellent stuff is happening under the "country" umbrella - I heard Keith Urban doing "It's a Man's World" (now that's R&B) on TV yesterday and was absolutely floored. Not country music, though. Country music is descended from home-made music, simple and lyric-centered and meant to be sung along with. Progressive Rock stopped being progressive 30 years ago. Everything under that category today is built, Lego-style, from a stock library of sounds and techniques that got frozen with Dark Side of the Moon and Close to the Edge. I guess we all decided that nobody would ever do better than that, and stopped trying. Carlos Santana shook up the world with Abraxis, melding traditional Latin music with rock 'n roll. Today, he's phoning it in. I'm sure he's developed new licks, but he knows better than to use them in front of an audience. They just want to hear Black Magic Woman. Again. The category Santana invented back then has now become part of the frozen library, even for its own inventor. Metal, same story. Way too many sub-genres, often distinguished solely by tempo and tone. And none of them are exploring new territory. Jazz, ditto. It's now either music to fall asleep to or is so eclectic that only posers pretend to like it. Don't you dare try sneaking in a catchy hook or an infectious rhythm - that's not Jazz. Bottom line is genres are a marketing invention that mean nothing from a creative standpoint. They exist so that consumers know in advance what they're getting. But who really wants to know that? It's like movie trailers that give away the whole plot. I want to be surprised.
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bapu
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Fare, well that about says it.
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I leave these type of forums every day, and then I question myself every day whether I am going back or not. Those meetings I have with myself get quite involved sometimes also. But meetings are always needed for some reason no one seems to really know why. Some call it goals, some call it - the Head Honcho wants a meeting, some just shrug their shoulders and put up with them. Well, good luck.
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Rain
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For whatever it's worth, I've spent a decade or so working on electronic music almost exclusively. Dont know how you'd call it. I called it Dark Electro. When I'm not working on music for my wife, I'm still working on mostly synth and sampler based music. I've always found that the general guidelines were a better help than strict rules. In fact, I never really looked for specific guidelines for the genre I was working. It seems sad to me to see so many people on forums inquiring on how to replicate this or that trendy sound - especially in a formula-driven genre where the focus is not on the performance or the lyrics or the melodies and harmonies but on sounds. But I can also understand that this is sometimes how one learns, and you have way more time ahead of you than I had. So best of luck to you, and may you find what you're after. :)
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Food luck finding what you're looking for. Stop by and let us know how it's going.
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Old55 Food luck finding what you're looking for. Stop by and let us know how it's going.
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Arrrgh EDM. hate how that term was created in the last decade by a new fan base, then backdated to apply to music before it. The Orb, Orital, Underworld, Prodigy, Aphex Twin, Squarepusher, FSOL (Amorphous Androgynous), Eat Static, Daft Punk, all relabled EDM. 80's Disco, Kraftwork, is that EDM too. I am on more than one forum, I'm actually thinking of ditching the other and just using this one. I keep meaning to write a forum suggestion for them to include an Arsenal Football Club section, not sure they'd go for it.
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davdud101
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OOOOH NOT EDM nooo NOT EDM I'm not that sorta guy. I think I'm just looking for more specific tips on how to mix in my style. Which I can probably get here. Maybe it's my ego in the way :I
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sharke
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davdud101 OOOOH NOT EDM nooo NOT EDM I'm not that sorta guy. I think I'm just looking for more specific tips on how to mix in my style. Which I can probably get here. Maybe it's my ego in the way :I
I think one of the things you have to remember as well is that you'll get some of the best advice re: synth sound creation and mixing electronic sounds from older musicians who have been doing it since the 70's. Especially some of the prog rock guys.
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davdud101
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good point. you guys are experienced, and i'm a noob. I have so much to learn.... Definitely a good reason to stay!
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Re: Farewell
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☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2014/12/15 11:17:43
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Of note, A Farewell to Kings is good album. Welcome back!!
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davdud101
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gotta admit i didn't dig into that issue... what was it? some forum hosts defending each other?
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davdud101 gotta admit i didn't dig into that issue... what was it? some forum hosts defending each other?
No....it was a love/hate relationship where we all got short changed on the Deal(s).
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davdud101 gotta admit i didn't dig into that issue... what was it? some forum hosts defending each other?
No more someone known for hissy fits having a hissy fit. Personally I feel no need to defend myself for being a forum host, if someone wants to throw their toys out of the pram because I deleted a duplicate post, removed some spam, merged two threads with a shared topic, relocated a thread to a more appropriate forum or changed something that breaches the Code of Conduct, then let them throw them. The best advice on mixing is provided by a feature that most humans are equipped with, they are called ears, which I assume you have, (I know assumptions are not good). Another great source of information is the Sound-on-Sound Archive, a sample of which can be found here most articles over three months old are available.
post edited by Wookiee - 2014/12/17 12:35:29
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I'd just change Bit's wish by a smidge. I want to be able to discern all the influences and STILL be surprised!
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