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Looking for recommendation - child's guitar

My friend wants to buy his 8 yr old son a guitar for Christmas.  It appears that a 3/4 size guitar is the right size for a child that age.  Any recommendations on  brands/models.  Budget is a concern, but sub $200 is doable.  Focus is mostly on play-ability and somewhat on tone.
 
I have see this particular one from Yamaha - JR1 but I am looking for other recommendations.  I'd love to be able to convince him to buy a Baby Taylor, but I don't think that's in the cards.
 
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    ampfixer
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    Re: Looking for recommendation - child's guitar 2014/12/16 14:55:29 (permalink)
    I think you're on the right track by focusing on playability. The lad will be focused on the colour and cool factor. it's really tough to buy instruments for kids.

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    Re: Looking for recommendation - child's guitar 2014/12/16 17:07:06 (permalink)
    The other curveball my friend threw me was he doesn't know if his son should play lefty or righty (which probably means lefty).  I will show my ignorance here and ask the question -
     
    For a dreadnought style body without a cutaway or pickup, can it be strung either way (for lefty or righty)?

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    Re: Looking for recommendation - child's guitar 2014/12/16 20:01:34 (permalink)
    A guitar built "right handed" would need more changing than simply turning it upside down and stringing it "backwards".

    The nut will be cut to have the strings in the usual slots for right-handed playing and so would need swapping for a left-handed one (the thinnest slot in the nut would be where the heaviest string is if you turn the guitar over). The bridge and saddle would alse need some alteration - the intonation slope on the saddle would be in the wrong direction, and if the saddle is cut to give the highest action on the would strings that would need reversing as well.

    For left-handed acoustic playing on a relatively inexpensive instrument it's easier to get a left-handed guitar, because having the necessary alterations done to a right-hander could add quite a bit to the cost. Unfortunately "cheap", "good" and "left handed acoustic guitar" are words not often found together.

    It's generally much easier to "left" a "right" electric guitar but a new nut (at least) is still required and the ergonomics might not be ideal (not that Hendrix seemed to have a problem).

    Another option is to play the guitar right-handed - there are some very good guitarists around who do this. Finally there's the Dick Dale option - just turn the guitar over and play with the strings reversed from where they're "supposed" to be.

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    Re: Looking for recommendation - child's guitar 2014/12/16 21:14:05 (permalink)
    tlw,
     
    Thanks for that info - I was pretty sure that would be the case.  I doubt we will use the Dick Dale option.
     
    My buddy is going to hold off on this for X-mas, get him to play some guitar hero to see how he uses the controller and we might take him to a guitar store under the guise of me looking for a new guitar or something.  If we get him in a guitar store, we'll see how he wants to play.

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    Re: Looking for recommendation - child's guitar 2014/12/16 22:46:10 (permalink)
    Super good idea to go to a GOOD music store and they will deal with it. A bad store will just sell you something. A good store will ask questions and take the time to figure out what is best for the kid. And don't rule out buying an electric. Electrics are way easier to play, and a cheap electric will ultimately outshine a cheap acoustic. When I had my shop I sold 80% electrics to kids.. they were happy and the parents soon get the fact that electrics are not loud, they are actualy dead quiet until you plug them in. 
     
    Most cheap 3/4 size acoustics are total garbage. The Yamaha is a bit better than average. A mini Taylor will hold it's value so a good investment. 
     

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    Re: Looking for recommendation - child's guitar 2014/12/17 07:23:51 (permalink)
    Yep, taking him to a place full of guitars sounds like a good plan.
     
    I'd second considering electrics as well as acoustics. It's not so much that they're inherently easier to play (just different), but you're much more likely to find an inexpensive playable electric (or one that can be set up so that it's playable) than acoustic, and the lower action and thinner strings are easier on the fingers, at least until the callouses build up, and a badly set up acoustic guitar can be murder to play. As JohnnyV says you're more likely to find a decent cheap electric than acoustic because with an acoustic the quality of body construction and the wood used is critical. With an electric the wood does make a difference but nothing like as much, and if you go for a budget "standard" design such as Fender, Squier or Epiphone then it's usually an easy job to swap out the pickups and hardware for something better later on (including better parts from the same manufacturer).
     
    Just make sure whatever he goes for in the end is set up properly.

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    Re: Looking for recommendation - child's guitar 2014/12/17 07:37:02 (permalink)
    I'll talk to my friend about an electric.  My personal opinion is that the acoustic guitar fits his son's personality better (quiet and shy) but I will talk to him about that to see what his thoughts are.

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    Re: Looking for recommendation - child's guitar 2014/12/18 22:18:15 (permalink)
    Check out Seagull. A bit over the $200 mark, but factory setup is good(playability), and they sound pretty decent.
    Imho, Seagull smokes the "budget" range.
    A 3/4 size may seem appropriate for an 8 year old, but consider that he will be growing rapidly over the next few years.
    There is nothing more frustrating for a new player than fighting a bad guitar.

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    Re: Looking for recommendation - child's guitar 2014/12/18 22:43:06 (permalink)
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    Check out Seagull. A bit over the $200 mark, but factory setup is good(playability), and they sound pretty decent.
    Imho, Seagull smokes the "budget" range.
    A 3/4 size may seem appropriate for an 8 year old, but consider that he will be growing rapidly over the next few years.
    There is nothing more frustrating for a new player than fighting a bad guitar.




    My daughter and I taught ourselves to play acoustic guitar when when she was in elementary school, can't remember what age.  I had a folk size and she had a parlour.  That worked well for many years.  She now has a Seagull dreadnought (cost about 350$) and it sounds great, a lot richer than the other two.  I still like the folk size myself.
     
    At one point we bought her this really nice MIM Fender Strat Jr. just before it was discontinued.  A real strat, only smaller.  She still has it but it's too small to be anything more than a travel guitar (which is nice with one of those VOX amp-on-a-plug and headphones).
     
    An electric is a heck of a lot more sturdy than an acoustic.
     

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    Re: Looking for recommendation - child's guitar 2014/12/19 00:02:02 (permalink)
    I bought one of these recently for a six year old:
    http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/141279803967
    Unfortunately it has serious intonation issues. At the octave fret, it's almost a semitone sharp. Therefore not recommended. If they redesigned it with a moveable bridge, it would work well.

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    Re: Looking for recommendation - child's guitar 2014/12/19 00:22:03 (permalink)
    I sold about 50 Seagulls when I had my store, The tone was amazing for the money. But , the necks are a bit clunky. So we like the Art & Luthier made by the same people because it has great tone and a better neck. I have the Folk model, For the money it's a great guitar..but the Mini GS Taylor is all I play now , it was about double the price however..  

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    Re: Looking for recommendation - child's guitar 2014/12/19 00:25:41 (permalink)
    Most learning guitarists will stop playing because of lack of callouses, so an electric would be an easier start for someone desiring to learn. If shy, an electric also makes less noise if unplugged (this is actually a selling point to people (usually adults) who want to learn without others hearing). Fret action will probably be the biggest hurdle in the beginning for him.
     
    15 years ago I was in the same boat with my kids and after feedback on a newsgroup got a Kramer Focus 111s. It was $64, and came in a cardboard box, so I assumed it was a hunk of junk. Then I got the surprise of my life... perfect intonation from the factory, just the pickups had been recessed for shipping. I believe Gibson purchased them a few years later and they have since "disappeared." It is the only Strat-style guitar I own, so has gotten more use from me than the kids.
     
    As far as an electric, something that is fully adjustable in the bridge (for intonation and string height) is recommended, just in case it is not properly adjusted at time of purchase. As far as the left/right hand thing... since he does not play yet, he can learn either way without issues. Learning right-handed would make it easier to learn music, as most is written for this, but is ultimately a personal choice (no right or wrong, just more convenient). Taking him to a good store with a big selection and letting him try things for feel is definitely worth considering.

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    Re: Looking for recommendation - child's guitar 2014/12/19 09:22:28 (permalink)
    I bought my 8yr. old daughter a Yamaha nylon string guitar (junior) for her last years Christmas gift. Eventhough it's a bit harder to learn for a beginner, (me being from the old school mentality) I figured if she can go through the initial rough stages and then gets comfortable playing this, she can easily play any other guitar. This actually worked as she has persevered through that rough stage and now is practicing/playing on a daily basis (all on her own will).
     
    Anyway, I played that little guitar at Guitar Center and checked out all the other ones.......finally decided on this one for its playability/tone and of course the price (I think it was around $125). 

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    Re: Looking for recommendation - child's guitar 2014/12/19 12:36:49 (permalink)
    Thanks for all the recommendations.  I talked to my buddy and he was leaning acoustic because he thought you needed the amp and cable along with the electric.  I pointed out that it wasn't the case.  We'll be looking at both electrics and acoustics.  It is clear that if we buy any of the inexpensive ones, a good set up and good strings will be essential.
     
    More to come over the work break between X-mas and New Years when I get to do some research at the guitar store.

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    Re: Looking for recommendation - child's guitar 2014/12/19 22:43:11 (permalink)
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    I talked to my buddy and he was leaning acoustic because he thought you needed the amp and cable along with the electric.


    You do need some sort of amp with an electric if you want it sound like a guitar, and a cable to connect them.
    Playing without one may be ok for practicing your technique and not disturbing anyone but that's about it.
     
    I'm sure there are some cheap amps that'll do in the beginning, or just use your powered computer speakers and whatever adapter might be needed to connect the guitar to them.  I wouldn't submit my child to headphone use so I wouldn't go for the tiny amps that plug straight into the guitar, like the VOX.  Besides, I'm sure a kid would like other to hear as well.
     
    We bought the VOX Pathfinder for my daughter, around 80$.  Works great and is loud enough for anything you'd want to do in a bedroom.
     
    One thing about acoustics is that they'll play anywhere.
     

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    Re: Looking for recommendation - child's guitar 2014/12/19 22:44:55 (permalink)
    I actually have a practice amp that I can give him when the time is right.

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    Re: Looking for recommendation - child's guitar 2014/12/30 20:38:07 (permalink)
    So I took my buddy and his son to GC today.  The sales person was helpful.  We had him strum a Yammy JR1 acoustic (I like the tone of the JR1 better than the JR2 and its $30 cheaper) and move his fingers up and down frets both lefty and righty and he seemed to feel that righty was more comfortable.  Then we showed him an try a Fender Squire mini electric and he strummed that a little bit. They'll be back over at my house in a couple of weeks and he'll get to see some of my guitars again, so we'll get a good idea how serious he is (I think he is serious).
     
    Of course, I am probably going to have to give him his first few lessons, so I'll be back asking for advice on that front when the time comes.
     
    Thanks to all for the suggestions.

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    Re: Looking for recommendation - child's guitar 2014/12/31 12:11:44 (permalink)
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    So I took my buddy and his son to GC today.  The sales person was helpful. 



    I just couldn't get past this and needed a strong drink. 

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    Re: Looking for recommendation - child's guitar 2014/12/31 20:35:01 (permalink)
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    So I took my buddy and his son to GC today.  The sales person was helpful. 



    I just couldn't get past this and needed a strong drink. 


    Yeah, GC sales people get bashed a lot on here, so I thought it was only fair to point out a good experience.  Enjoy your drink - I am already.  Happy New Year!

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    Re: Looking for recommendation - child's guitar 2015/01/05 15:26:04 (permalink)
    I purchased 10 used guitars in the past 4 years: 5 "beginner" electric and acoustic, 2 mid priced, and three 60s/70s guitars. All played like crap. No wonder they were being sold.
     
    I took them to Elderly for set up and most all of them play fine now. Not all the necks could be made great. Most all are usable, a couple are good only below the 12th fret.
     
    Three could not be fixed. The 60's Tulip needs all frets replaced. One acoustic is now set for slide, with a raised nut. The last needs some internal bracing repair.
     
    My favorite to play now is the First Act m305. Cost me $25 and $70 for setup which included shimming the neck. (Also, I split the coils, added selector switches, and polarity switches. Way fun.)
     
    Setup is imperative. Especially for kids' fingers. Light gauge strings help as well.
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    Re: Looking for recommendation - child's guitar 2015/01/05 17:41:17 (permalink)
    Thanks for the info.  A set up will definitely be done and I will recommend light gauge strings.
     
    Is the Elderly you mentioned the one in Lansing, MI?

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    Re: Looking for recommendation - child's guitar 2015/01/05 18:54:49 (permalink)
    Yep, to Elderly in Lansing.
     
    I have also had a couple guitars setup by the guitar dude at Music Manor.
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