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2014/12/15 20:06:15 (permalink)

Looking at MIDI keyboards

I'm choosing a midi keyboard and I'm trying to decide on a good quality one with decent features for under $300.
I'm thinking about going with the novation launchkey 61, but from what I've read, all of its features wont work in Cakewalk sonar. It will work in midi mode I think but I'm not exactly sure as I'm new to control surfaces and midi keyboard brands.
http://global.novationmusic.com/midi-controllers/launchkey
 
It looks comfy and decent to me. It's a personal choice of course and i like the way it looks the best.
 
Is it a decent pick? And are their other decent brands you can recommend me for midi keyboards?
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Re: Looking at MIDI keyboards 2014/12/15 22:30:43 (permalink)
Do yourself the favour and spend the extra $100 on the Impulse. It's well worth it as the keys feel much better than the ones on the LaunchKey. I absolutely love my Novation boards (though I tend to not use AutoMap much at all)
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Re: Looking at MIDI keyboards 2014/12/16 04:53:23 (permalink)
For keys: you should test yourself. They are very different. I repeat that every time on such questions: unlike "Digital Piano", MIDI Keyboards do not have the "reference keys" to imitate. They are free to implement what they want (feel, hardness, response, etc.) in arbitrary wide range.
 
For Control Surface: either you stuck with explicit support for SONAR from particular device (for Novation - AutoMap compatible keyboards) or be prepared to spend quite some time to make it work. Official CW generic plug-ins are limited, my own is alpha (and since I am not from CW, it is not official).

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Re: Looking at MIDI keyboards 2014/12/16 06:22:13 (permalink)
M-Audio Oxygen might be good for you as it did well in a couple of tests and it is less than 300 $.
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Re: Looking at MIDI keyboards 2014/12/16 07:18:25 (permalink)
Roland A300/500/800 controllers are about as plug-and-play with SONAR as they get. They even have an ACT button right on them, although I admittedly mostly use mine for just the keys.

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Re: Looking at MIDI keyboards 2014/12/16 11:24:50 (permalink)
TerraSin
Do yourself the favour and spend the extra $100 on the Impulse. It's well worth it as the keys feel much better than the ones on the LaunchKey. I absolutely love my Novation boards (though I tend to not use AutoMap much at all)


Can you please describe what you mean by feels better? and what does a good keyboard feel like to you?
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Re: Looking at MIDI keyboards 2014/12/16 14:20:35 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby DragonBlood 2014/12/16 23:35:11
A good keybed should feel good to you.  I, too, am partial to the Novation line w/ the traditional Fatar keybed.  I've got an Impulse and it works nicely, from keys to knobs.  I've haven't messed with the Launchkey.  But as said above, pick a day and visit a Guitar Center or somewhere where you can "touch" a bunch of keyboards.  Your fingers will let you know which is best.  Fatar (the company that makes them) have been used in most mid-level to upper keyboards and have the usual synth feel - not spongy yet plenty of travel and push back a little when you dig into the bed.  Most cheaper keys feel cheap, the plastic slick, short travel or spongy with no weight.  They work, and only you can decide if the extra $'s are worth it.
 
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Re: Looking at MIDI keyboards 2014/12/16 23:47:41 (permalink)
I'm honestly thinking about just seeing what happens for christmas and buying everything on my list then.
I dont like going out of my budget so if I have the money I'll see about the impulse. I was going to try and get a digital piano from costco but they took the ones I wanted out of circulation.
The extra dollars does seem questionable but I really just need something decent and to experiment on if push comes to shove with my budget.
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Re: Looking at MIDI keyboards 2014/12/19 11:57:32 (permalink)
If you're not a keyboard player, it's difficult to know what constitutes a "better" feeling keyboard, but most or all the budget priced keyboard controllers these days feel like crap and are not necessarily built to stand the test of time, so take that for what it's worth.
 
If you're a decent keyboard player, then odds are you won't like anything less than the higher end models. If you're a piano player, than none of the synth action / semi-weighted actions will cut it either, and you'll want a good quality 88 note weighted controller. If you're not a keyboard player at all, then none of this really matters, and a middle of the road model might be just fine.
 
I would try and find one that will run on an external power supply (wall wart) and not just USB power, and has real midi ports as well as the usual USB port. (Unless it's never going to leave your studio, and will always be hooked up to a PC.) Why? Well, it'll gives you more options depending on your needs, & whether or not you want to use it without a pc to control a rack synth or something.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Looking at MIDI keyboards 2014/12/20 02:24:51 (permalink)
nektar impact lx61 is also sonar ready...and inexpensive. Nice build, local company...
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Re: Looking at MIDI keyboards 2014/12/20 23:22:38 (permalink)
Honestly I looked at the reviews of the Novation Impulse keyboards it's freaking me out how people are reporting shorts and how the keys stop working after 8 months... and how the USB ports break. I find that scary when I'm spending this type of money.
 
I've upped my budget to 400 and want some nice keys. I'm going to head to a music store and look around and feel some of the keyboards. Any recommendations in the $400 range?
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Re: Looking at MIDI keyboards 2014/12/20 23:36:31 (permalink)
 
The Roland A-800 PRO is 400$
 
I thought it was discontinued, but it's apparently made a comeback.
 

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Re: Looking at MIDI keyboards 2014/12/20 23:38:19 (permalink)
The Roland A800 is the 61-key model (pretty much $400-ish everywhere). I have had the A300 (32 keys) for about a year and it has a lot of slick features I have not even used (yet). Pretty much anything can be tweaked to the user's preferences. The ACT button on the unit is what surprised me most, since I simply pushed that button first use and the transport controls, etc. all came "online" (I did absolutely nothing in X3 to set this up). It is worth taking a look at if the music shop you head to carries them.

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Re: Looking at MIDI keyboards 2014/12/21 00:17:31 (permalink)
You have to be careful about online reviews.  Nobody hardly ever goes on line to praise a products, but everybody and the horse that rode them in will make complaints if something happens to break.  You will mostly find the latter.
 
I originally had to get 2 Novation 25 Le keys (they were blowing them out at the time) before I got one that the keys weren't coming lose.  It lasted about 7 years.  I replaced it w/ an Impulse 25.  I had to send it back for warranty work.  That is the thing, most problems will show up in the first month or so.  If you are worried, you can always get an extended warranty.
 
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Re: Looking at MIDI keyboards 2014/12/21 05:22:19 (permalink)
M-audio axiom air could be nice.
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Re: Looking at MIDI keyboards 2014/12/21 11:26:53 (permalink)
@DragonBlood
 
I bought and both recorded and gigged with a Yamaha YPG-235 keyboard, for $219, and it worked extremely well for me for almost 5 years of constant use.  It has decent feel, 76 notes, and about 400 sounds (about half are usable - rest are dogs barking and machine guns and whatevers).  I never worried about trying to map any buttons to ACT, so just used it really as a midi trigger for sounds from soft-synths, and for that, for ME, it fit the bill nicely.
 
I also JUST bought about a month ago, an M-Audio Keystation 88, for $129, brand new, that I use for piano parts mostly.  It is an 88-note midi controller with only volume, pitch bend, and mod wheel, but again, I didn't need to map anything for ACT for it - I just control things with my mouse in Sonar and then simply record with it.  So far, it has been fabulous.  Decent enough action, and full 88 keys.
 
My other controller is a much better one - Axiom Pro 61.  It has a bunch of faders and knobs and such, (which I still don't bother with ACT for), but more importantly for me is that it has a fantastic and solid action, and is quite rugged.  I usually use this controller for synth leads, as it just feels GREAT to play on it.  (this one cost me something like $450-$500, if I recall correctly)
 
I hope that gives you some additional info to ponder over, in your decision making process.
 
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Re: Looking at MIDI keyboards 2015/01/02 06:01:44 (permalink)
This is the keyboard I've decided to go with.
http://www.akaipro.com/product/mpk-261
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Re: Looking at MIDI keyboards 2015/01/02 07:01:09 (permalink)
Looks like a good choice and I read one review that had positive things to say about it.
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Re: Looking at MIDI keyboards 2015/01/02 09:40:34 (permalink)
DragonBlood
This is the keyboard I've decided to go with.
http://www.akaipro.com/product/mpk-261

 
Looks very nice.  I hadn't seen this one before and I like the layout.
 
Please let us know what you think of the way it plays once you've had the chance.

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Re: Looking at MIDI keyboards 2015/01/02 13:23:26 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Mitch_I 2015/01/03 11:22:39
I can't see purchasing a keyboard without trying it first. When I bought my Roland A49 I was in a music shop that had all the major brands on display. Almost all the ones marketed as DAW "controllers"  were cheap plastic toys. Some the keys were smaller than standard. 
 
The ones that felt solid and playable where all the standard major brands that have been making keyboards for a long time now. 
It's true if your not a keyboard player that you might not care, but would you recommend a guitar with terrible action to a beginner?  
 

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