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2014/12/31 11:22:51 (permalink)

Video help needed [RESOLVED - THANKS ALL!]

We're putting together a slideshow for my wife's memorial this Sunday. When I say "we" I mean my daughter and her graphic designer friend in Denver. My job was merely to supply the music.
 
But I got a preview of the slideshow this morning and the music isn't long enough for the running time, the musical transitions are too abrupt, the music tracks are not equal in volume, and the songs are just randomly sequenced. My daughter is frantic and there is only today and tomorrow to get this fixed up before she leaves for Seattle.
 
No problem, I said. SONAR can do this. I can stick the music in myself and all will be good.
 
So I opened a new project, went to Import -> Video, only to be informed thusly:
        Unable to import video - Unrecognized file format or invalid file.
        Cannot play back the file. The format is not supported.
 
It's a QuickTime .mov file. I have no problem playing this file in Windows Media Player, so I assume that means I have the necessary codec installed.
 
 
I first tried converting the file to AVI, but I still get the same message: the format is not supported. I made sure I could import other AVI files, and had no problem. It's just this file that SONAR chokes on.
 
Any advice is welcome. I've got to resolve this today.
post edited by bitflipper - 2014/12/31 14:38:31


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Re: Video help needed - urgently 2014/12/31 11:49:50 (permalink)
I don't do video but I do know 8.5 was very picky about the format. AVI is just a container which is why one would work and another will not. Check the video stream in a working video and use that format. IIRC, SONAR always worked with wmv too.
 
Hopefully someone with more video experience will stop by soon.
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Re: Video help needed - urgently 2014/12/31 12:11:01 (permalink)
You may want to check out the entry level version of Sony Vegas.  It makes all these chores easier than Sonar, imo.

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Re: Video help needed - urgently 2014/12/31 12:12:23 (permalink)
I'm going to try converting to WMV next...
 
Yes, I've been meaning to give Vegas a try ever since I watched Ethan Winer's little demo on it some years ago. It looks to be very easy to use (much better than Adobe Premier that broke my computer and got uninstalled!). I've just never been all that into video. I'd rather spend my scarce dollars on music stuff.


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Re: Video help needed - urgently 2014/12/31 12:27:41 (permalink)
I bought Adobe Premier Elements for just this sort of task.  Of course I do all of my audio work in Sonar but I simply convert the finished song/track to 48/16 and import it as a "soundtrack" in Premier Elements.  I think it's $69 and actually has some great video editing capability. 

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Re: Video help needed - urgently 2014/12/31 12:46:29 (permalink)
I assume you have a 64-bit system, and Apple never released a 64-bit codec for QuickTime. I believe SONAR would require that regardless of whether Media Player can cope or not.
 
I would be happy to help in any way I can. If you can provide a place for me to download/upload the video, I have a variety of conversion tools and can convert AND test with SONAR X3 to make sure it imports. 
 
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Re: Video help needed - urgently 2014/12/31 12:57:13 (permalink)
In my video program which is cheap Magix ($50) if I convert to *.wmv I use lossless 44.1kHz - 16 bit which is the best. Although *.AVI should have no problem in Sonar, I can not attest to that, because I use the video program which has a mixer to adjust the volume when I import the output tracks from Sonar, and I can input them at 48kHz - 24bit to the video program and can make a *.AVI file (which is way bigger) with 48kHz-24bit video output. *.wmv can only be made 44.1kHz-16bit and lossless does not mean that it is true stereo, because it is a variable rate which is lossless, which sounds like stereo but really is not true stereo at a constant bitrate and sample rate. If you use that kind of output - constant intead of variable, then the video will be like an *.mp3 which is what it will be.
 
*.mp4 is not all that good for sound, and unless you have way better equipment perhaps taking the original movie and a way better video editing program, then that is about all you will get. *.AVI files are not compressed usually but if it is, maybe that is the problem, because in the video program I have no problem importing *.mov files either, so if you have a video editing program I would first see if you can change the video format and output it in a format Sonar will recognize and then import it into Sonar, and also just the audio can be made into a separate track in my program (where in a *.mov file it is listed video and audio as one track, then it can be separated into 2 tracks.
 
Export just the audio then perhaps and work on it in Sonar, and then input it back into movie editing program and with the mixer in the program, down (0) the original audio and by inputting the audio into Track 3 then of course raise the volume on that track to the level you want it at in the video, then export the video in the format you wish to view it in - but for youtube I have found out, usually *.avi files run better but way bigger than a *.wmv file but that is because utube to me sucks. I never can - oh well.
 
That's about it.
Of course the video part can be added stuff also if you know what you are doing (fade ins such as, etc.).
 

 
 
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Re: Video help needed - urgently 2014/12/31 12:59:08 (permalink)
All you need Dave is a codec that will allow you to load the video. One place you can get one for this is Shark007 I have use them for many years and they work. http://shark007.net

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Re: Video help needed - urgently 2014/12/31 13:54:33 (permalink)
I'd call Craig with his generous offer even if you have to upload the video to youtube to share. I've used the free compression tool "handbrake" which is very good btw and convert to h.264 format which sonar will recognize. It's a format like 320 rate is for mp3 as h.264 is for video. Good luck

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Re: Video help needed - urgently 2014/12/31 14:00:22 (permalink)
Problem (almost) solved.
 
I downloaded Microsoft Movie Maker, which was able to convert the .mov file to .wmv, which SONAR had no trouble loading. Then I imported the music files and exported the project as an AVI. The file was created, but when I attempted to play it in WMP there was no sound. I then re-exported it as a WMV and success! Sound!
 
Unfortunately, the picture quality is unacceptably grainy and low-resolution after exporting from SONAR. The file that Movie Maker had produced looks OK, so I assume the issue is with the export options in SONAR. There are a boatload of options, and I'm running down the list but each export takes a long time - anybody have a suggestion as to what export options I should choose?
 


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Re: Video help needed - urgently 2014/12/31 14:22:56 (permalink)
Thanks for the offer, Craig.
 
Unfortunately, the video is still undergoing edits over in Denver. She'd deleted a bunch of photos in order to shorten the movie to fit the music.
 
After boldly assuring her that I could put the audio in later, I told her to go ahead and add those photos back in and send me the file at the last minute. I figure that once I've done a successful test here it'll be a quick process. Always the optimist.
 


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Re: Video help needed - urgently 2014/12/31 14:27:38 (permalink)
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All you need Dave is a codec that will allow you to load the video. One place you can get one for this is Shark007 I have use them for many years and they work. http://shark007.net



I actually have those (I'd found an old thread where you had recommended them to someone else).
 
Curiously, this particular .mov file will not even play in the mPlayer app that comes with the Shark codecs. But it does play in WMP. Wouldn't that suggest that I've already got the necessary codec?


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Re: Video help needed - urgently 2014/12/31 14:28:22 (permalink)
bitflipper
I figure that once I've done a successful test here it'll be a quick process. Always the optimist.
 

 
Yes you are, sir! Good luck with it. But I assume with Anderton on the case you'll get it solved. Sheesh worst case scenario you can just ring us all up and we'll do it live! :-)

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Re: Video help needed - urgently 2014/12/31 14:37:57 (permalink)
WMM is about as hassle free as it comes for both imports/exports, but its functionality is limited, so extensive editing to either audio or video is nearly impossible. It will meld the two together fairly nicely (and yields a decent result), but you may have to import the video and do the audio edits in SONAR with both applications open. It has been a while since I have used WMM, but remember the import/export was convenient, just the guts lacked editing capabilities.
 
As is a collab project, you may want to agree on a timeline so you are both working to the same result (then only "assembly" of video-audio is the issue).
 
Edit: There are some "video heavies" on this forum that could probably do this task quickly, but would probably need a very close sync of audio and video if you happen to get into a pinch.

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Re: Video help needed - urgently 2014/12/31 14:43:10 (permalink)
ALMOST SUCCESS!
 
I just had to select the right WMV export options to get the necessary video quality.
 
Only one problem remains: the video is truncated. The last half of the video is a black screen - but with music. When I look at the preview frame in SONAR, I see the whole thing.
 
I don't think it's a file-size limit; the exported video is only 479MB.
 


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Re: Video help needed - urgently 2014/12/31 14:48:06 (permalink)
Thanks, Michael and Michael, for your advice and encouragement. 
 
Well, it looks as though I've finally got a winning combination. I tried another selection from the WMV export options and now have a working slideshow!
 
Thanks again for everyone's advice and offers of help. You're all invited to the memorial.
 


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Re: Video help needed - urgently 2014/12/31 14:54:27 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby mettelus 2014/12/31 14:58:55
Bit, if you run into any more video issues, please contact me. I will be glad to help. I do video for a living and would be able to get past that in no time.
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Re: Video help needed - urgently 2014/12/31 15:58:35 (permalink)
I emphasize picking up a download version of Vegas/Movie Maker or similar  from Sonycreativesoftware.com for hassle free editing and conversions.  There are loads of video tutorials on Youtube and the web and I feel it's one of the most undiscovered programs out there.  It comes in many levels to accommodate most budgets.  That's just my opinion...
 
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Re: Video help needed - urgently 2014/12/31 16:39:29 (permalink)
One big plus with Vegas is it comes with a decent time stretching plugin that helps make things fit without exporting to external editor. I think it's  only available in the pro version. I wouldn't  call Vegas undiscovered. It is hugely popular among the pirate crowd because of its easy to get around security and musicians tend to like it. Even among pros, most non-Mac users know of it even if they choose otherwise. Great program overall. 
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Re: Video help needed - urgently 2014/12/31 17:06:57 (permalink)
I like it because what Dubdisciple said plus it supports the Mackie Control. Its the most powerful video editor you can get for the money. To me it fits nicely with Sonar. Also you can get Sound forge with it. 
 
 
 
 

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Re: Video help needed - urgently 2014/12/31 17:55:35 (permalink)
That *.wmv file seems rather large, and WMP will play an *.AVI file. There are two types of *.AVI files - compressed and not compressed. Of course the uncompressed *.avi file will be even larger probably but it is frame by frame and the audio is the same. But WMP should play an *.AVI file if not compressed, not sure about a compressed *.avi file.
 
Sometimes you just have to muck around with that stuff to see what gives with any format, but even with a *.wmv file, the video quality should be well like 100 not 90, or 85, or the usual not high quality that can be done even in Windows Movie Maker. Just the sound in Windows Movie Maker can not be as good as with another program that allows lossless *.wmv files and any of that. There is, if I remember correctly no option for that in WMM, just some making a file with a certain bitrate to stream sort of. Pick the highest setting, because actually if not streaming over the Internet (and utube changes it anyway) than on a normal computer and playing back on the computer, the fastest bitrate whether variable bit rate or constant *.AVI type file with uncompression should still play fine in WMP. Mine always did, although the file is much larger that way in the end.
 
Oh, well, it takes a little time to make the file, and that is the longest usual part of making a video for consumption.
Well, good luck!
 

 
 
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Re: Video help needed - urgently 2014/12/31 19:25:45 (permalink)
I know your wife appreciates your excellent efforts and your Daughter does twice as much.  I know it will be great! 
The only thing I can offer is that upon the initial install(s), there is always a mov/QuickTime dance that TwelveTone, Cakewalk/SONAR always offer's.  And If you're like me; I blow by these.  Craig is always on the money...  Lately when I have an issue, it's almost always a plugin 32/64bit scenario.  Again, sorry for your loss.  bRAD 
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