TheSteven
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2CAudio B2 opinions?
Just wonder what fellow forum member think about 2CAudio B2? I really like the recordings on the web site and it's on sale at the moment for $174.95 Unfortunately don't have much time at the moment to really evaluate the demo.
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Re: 2CAudio B2 opinions?
2015/01/03 16:48:31
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I had Breeze for a year and just bought Aether for a crossgrade price pf 129USD. I had demo B2 and think that it is designed for sound effects for cinematic production. It's is more complex and difficult for a musician to use. It's preset clearly demonstrated it's designed intention. I am sure it is awesome but Aether is more suitable for me. That was why I choose Aether instead for more more musical usage. I am a pianist i think aether would bring my Ivory II and pianoteq 5 to a whole new level. Before my purchase I had tried demo Valhallaroom, softube, db112 redline, phoenixverb and Lexicon. But at 129 cross grade price, Aether is untouchable.
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Re: 2CAudio B2 opinions?
2015/01/03 17:33:51
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B2 has a different role than most reverb plug-ins. For most reverb applications, it you notice it, it's being applied too heavily. B2 is intended to be in your face and of use where the effect is intended to be very obvious. It's applicable for situations where you really want spacey, weird, otherworldly, etc. ambiance. So, it depends the type of music/sound you produce. For straight-up popular music, it's of little worth. For sound-track/scape work, it could be one of your favorite effects. As to quality, it's from 2CAudio, so that should say enough right there.
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backwoods
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Re: 2CAudio B2 opinions?
2015/01/03 22:19:38
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B2 can do the tradional spaces if needs be. Aether is the best reverb I have ever used BTW (totally smokes Valhalla) so spring for that first.
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Re: 2CAudio B2 opinions?
2015/01/04 03:00:02
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backwoods B2 can do the tradional spaces if needs be. Aether is the best reverb I have ever used BTW (totally smokes Valhalla) so spring for that first.
+1. Demo Valhalla for many days 2013 and choose Breeze. Demo one more time in dec 2014 and I still could not bring myself to like it dispite it's fame. Aether rules.
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TheSteven
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Re: 2CAudio B2 opinions?
2015/01/04 20:08:28
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Thanks everyone for all the input! Really appreciate it. I'm definitely going for Aether, debating on going for the full Perfect Storm bundle but got to check my budget.
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Re: 2CAudio B2 opinions?
2015/01/04 20:50:44
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I upgraded to perfect storm already owning b2 and breeze. So the upgrade got me Aether and the preset bundles at a big discount. I've never bought a preset pack before but it has been money well spent. Hundreds upon hundreds of brilliant options.... might even be in the thousands. The aether browser in particular is dynamite. Very fast and easy to pursue ideas. I just put it on a buss, lock the wet/dry to 100 and explore the possibilities.
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dmbaer
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Re: 2CAudio B2 opinions?
2015/01/05 18:29:19
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backwoods I've never bought a preset pack before but it has been money well spent. Hundreds upon hundreds of brilliant options.... might even be in the thousands. The aether browser in particular is dynamite. Very fast and easy to pursue ideas. I just put it on a buss, lock the wet/dry to 100 and explore the possibilities.
Yeah, but almost too much of a good thing a lot of the time. The problem is: so you want, say, a medium room. But there's at least a half dozen choices in just that category and they all sound damn good. So what to do? Spend a bunch of time auditioning them or get on with satisfying the bigger picture of producing your music. And if you want a plate? Fergettaboutit! I guess this qualifies for the term "embarrassment of riches".
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Re: 2CAudio B2 opinions?
2015/01/05 20:27:41
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In aether Browser page, select the preset that you like, lock all 6 micros, and select other presets again. This is great for Aether beginner like me. Sounds awesome on vocal, better than Breeze by 1000 miles.
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TheSteven
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Re: 2CAudio B2 opinions?
2015/01/07 00:56:45
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I finally went for the Perfect Storm. Just love the quality of the verbs; brought me back to days of working with real acoustic echo chambers, emt plate verbs, etc.
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Re: 2CAudio B2 opinions?
2015/02/12 12:50:12
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Chiming in late, here. Doing the B2 and Aether trials. Comparing with Valhalla, which I own. Solo piano material only, and I'm going for the typical med Hall verb that you'll find in a lot of solo piano albums, from classical to jazz and rock. I'm guessing that the top pro mixes use a Bricasti Harware verb, which obviously hasn't been equaled in software YET. I haven't spent much time with Aether, but B2 "scoring stage mid 1" I think it's called is very, very close to Bricasti levels, where "obsession" is the final mix. I'm now running a comparison with Aether's "piano concert" setting, also mixed at the "obsession" level. Valhalla Vintage is great, and certainly way good enough for the average listener, but good monitors or phones will show B2 to be much cleaner and more realistic, as far as I can tell, that is. Does anyone know if there's a substantive algorithmic difference between Aether and B2? B2, for example, has a "2 engine" mode, and "cascade", as well, which looks like more subtle processing capability than Aether...???
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dmbaer
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Re: 2CAudio B2 opinions?
2015/02/12 18:18:16
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johnlewisgrant Does anyone know if there's a substantive algorithmic difference between Aether and B2? B2, for example, has a "2 engine" mode, and "cascade", as well, which looks like more subtle processing capability than Aether...???
B2 doesn't just have a 2-engine mode, it *is* a 2-engine verb. You can, of course, turn one of the engines off. Aether came first, so it's reasonable to assume there were things learned while implementing Aether that were applied to B2. But just look at the controls in Aether compared to B2. Aether remains the deeper of the two, and I would say that depth gives it a greater capability for subtlety. By the way, the developer of Aether is a pianist, so it should be no surprise that his verbs do very well on piano tracks.
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Re: 2CAudio B2 opinions?
2015/02/12 18:45:17
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dmbaer
johnlewisgrant Does anyone know if there's a substantive algorithmic difference between Aether and B2? B2, for example, has a "2 engine" mode, and "cascade", as well, which looks like more subtle processing capability than Aether...???
B2 doesn't just have a 2-engine mode, it *is* a 2-engine verb. You can, of course, turn one of the engines off. Aether came first, so it's reasonable to assume there were things learned while implementing Aether that were applied to B2. But just look at the controls in Aether compared to B2. Aether remains the deeper of the two, and I would say that depth gives it a greater capability for subtlety. By the way, the developer of Aether is a pianist, so it should be no surprise that his verbs do very well on piano tracks.
Hmmm a pianist? That's encouraging. I'm just getting into Aether now, with solo Bach stuff I'm doing. Checking out as systematically as I can all the presets that I can.
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Re: 2CAudio B2 opinions?
2015/02/12 23:41:03
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johnlewisgrant ... Valhalla Vintage is great, and certainly way good enough for the average listener, but good monitors or phones will show B2 to be much cleaner and more realistic, as far as I can tell, that is.....
Well I would expect so, as Vintage verb was never meant to be clean and realistic -- it's modelled after a 70-80s Lexicon (Hence the name). If you want to compare a clean verb, then Valhalla Room is what you want.
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Re: 2CAudio B2 opinions?
2015/02/13 06:03:10
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Andrew Souter is the developer of B2 and Aether. And as mentioned above, he is a piano player. There is a thread on V.I Control forum where he himelf talks about his paino albums and how he used his own products to make the sound. http://www.vi-control.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=42826&highlight=ballad PS : Oh, and I have Aether, and its a fantastic product. If you want to keep things simple with a quality reverb as a send for all your tracks, you have hundreds to choose from as presets, which can easily be fine-tuned. If you want special effects on any specific tracks, there are some amzing sounds you can get. And if you want to go deep, and edit even the most fine details of almost any reverb parameter you can think of, and even ones you didn't even know about, you can.
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Re: 2CAudio B2 opinions?
2015/02/13 11:26:41
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Great. Will definitely read this with interest! Here's what I'm working on: each prelude and fugue uses very different reverbs, as well as different settings. Don't even recall which ones, at this point. Generally the first preludes and fugues are "over-verbed" in my opinion, but I get leaner (I think) as I go along. https://www.youtube.com/p...21rE5SoYC33Nxltdam8TPG JG
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Re: 2CAudio B2 opinions?
2015/02/13 15:27:28
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I am looking at this with interest too. I have been making solo piano music with pianoteq, ivory 2 and my reverb is aether and breeze.
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Re: 2CAudio B2 opinions?
2015/02/13 15:39:47
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Here's an example of BAD verb settings. Prelude and Fugue 9: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVkHC4srRXU&index=9&list=PLP5BZzcdRkq21rE5SoYC33Nxltdam8TPGI'm pretty sure I used Valhalla Vintage here. I would have killed the Mod, but WAY too much tail on this. Just echoes all over the place. Terrible. Obvious, even on my little MMGs. Now P&F 10 works better (in my opinion). The character (tempo, length of notes (legato, staccato, etc) of the piece is, as mentioned above, critical to what you can get away with. A longer tail seems to work in #10. #9: NOT.
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johnlewisgrant
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Re: 2CAudio B2 opinions?
2015/02/13 22:03:50
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Here's a second attempt at the E Major (#9) prelude and fugue, using Valhalla Vintage "large chamber" but with the following changes: Mix 34.7%, Predelay 55.5ms, Decay 1.93 %, Color "Now", Mod Rate 0%, all other settings as in the factory settings for "large chamber": https://www.youtube.com/w...;feature=youtube_gdata (I've now replaced the old prelude/fugue #9 combo inside the "24" playlist with this newer version of the prelude, using the above settings on Valhalla Vintage.)
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