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2015/01/08 19:10:12 (permalink)

How to shift a track by *Exactly* 500ms in X3

Hi, I recently added a Yamaha piano with pianocorder to my setup which requires midi to be advanced by 500ms (it has an 1/2 delay that can not be switched off).  I have used Cakewalk for years but could never get the shift I needed for the piano, it only worked in beats/measures which change with every tempo change (ugh).  
 
Now I upgraded to X3 and it seems I still have the same problem, I tried the Time shift in track inspector and I also tried the Nudge process which had an exact time offset (ya!) but unfortunately when a tempo change occurs in my file the timing does not stay at exactly 500ms.
 
Any help would be greatly appreciated,
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Re: How to shift a track by *Exactly* 500ms in X3 2015/01/08 19:34:49 (permalink)
in menu bar 'process' choose 'slide' , you can move the part from there I think/hope...
 
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Re: How to shift a track by *Exactly* 500ms in X3 2015/01/08 19:55:16 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby dubdisciple 2015/01/08 20:48:14
If all else fails, have you tried using a delay plugin set to 100% wet/500ms delay?  Just a thought.
 
I am sure that there is a more elegant solution, but am not at my DAW right now..

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Re: How to shift a track by *Exactly* 500ms in X3 2015/01/08 19:57:56 (permalink)
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If all else fails, have you tried using a delay plugin set to 100% wet/500ms delay?  Just a thought.
 
I am sure that there is a more elegant solution, but am not at my DAW right now..




Actually that's a pretty elegant solution because the delay will be constant regardless of tempo changes.

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Re: How to shift a track by *Exactly* 500ms in X3 2015/01/08 20:05:36 (permalink)
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If all else fails, have you tried using a delay plugin set to 100% wet/500ms delay?  Just a thought.
 
I am sure that there is a more elegant solution, but am not at my DAW right now..




Actually that's a pretty elegant solution because the delay will be constant regardless of tempo changes.




I thought so, but it was just off the top of my head.
 
I thought there may be a setting somewhere that could add the delay, without adding an extra effect.
 
Anyway, I am pleased that my solution wasn't too off the wall.
 
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Re: How to shift a track by *Exactly* 500ms in X3 2015/01/08 20:45:14 (permalink)
Thank you everybody for the help!!!  I love the plug-in solution and will try it at my first chance at my DAW, I never realized the plug-ins worked on anything other then audio but then again I am coming from CW9.  Will let you know how it works.
 
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Re: How to shift a track by *Exactly* 500ms in X3 2015/01/08 22:50:43 (permalink)
Ok, I added the default midi echo/delay plug-in that came with it and it works great but I can not make it 'wet', it plays both the original note and the delayed one, I was finally able to almost get it work by turning down the original velocity and letting the module amplify it which gave me a very soft original note and a louder delayed note, using that config I ran a few songs to see if it would track the tempo changes which it DID!  So if I could just figure out how to get it fully wet I am all set?  Perhaps a plug-in I need to download??
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Re: How to shift a track by *Exactly* 500ms in X3 2015/01/08 23:37:20 (permalink)
MIDI tracks have a timing offset control, accessed via the Track Inspector. See page 232 in the manual.
 
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Re: How to shift a track by *Exactly* 500ms in X3 2015/01/08 23:44:18 (permalink)
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MIDI tracks have a timing offset control, accessed via the Track Inspector. See page 232 in the manual.
 


As I stated in the first post, I tried that and when there is a tempo change things fall apart.  You can move a track but the tempo changes do not follow.  The delay plug-in route looks the most promising so far unless there is a function we all missed.   Thankx for the suggestion, J
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Re: How to shift a track by *Exactly* 500ms in X3 2015/01/08 23:54:07 (permalink)
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...You can move a track but the tempo changes do not follow...

 
I'm still not clear on why Nudge wasn't suitable. You have the option of setting it for absolute time or musical time.

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Re: How to shift a track by *Exactly* 500ms in X3 2015/01/09 04:49:24 (permalink)
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Ok, I added the default midi echo/delay plug-in that came with it and it works great but I can not make it 'wet', it plays both the original note and the delayed one, I was finally able to almost get it work by turning down the original velocity and letting the module amplify it which gave me a very soft original note and a louder delayed note, using that config I ran a few songs to see if it would track the tempo changes which it DID!  So if I could just figure out how to get it fully wet I am all set?  Perhaps a plug-in I need to download??




I have not used the MIDI Delay - I will have a look as soon as I get a chance.
 
Try using an audio VST - Sonitus or Channel Tools, perhaps.
 
Have you recorded the output of the Yamaha into Sonar?  If so, insert it on that track.
 
Or are you listening to the Yamaha playing "live", as it were.  In this case, can you not route the piano through Sonar, add the delay and use input echo.
 
Perhaps describe exactly what you are doing.  I may be misunderstanding something really simple.

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Re: How to shift a track by *Exactly* 500ms in X3 2015/01/09 08:29:15 (permalink)
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Or are you listening to the Yamaha playing "live", as it were.  In this case, can you not route the piano through Sonar, add the delay and use input echo.
 
Perhaps describe exactly what you are doing.  I may be misunderstanding something really simple.




Yes, I am using this for Live performance so using audio plug-ins is not useful.  Input delay is exactly what I need but the midi echo plug-in does not seem to have a full 'wet' setting (a way to keep the original notes from playing).  Another 'delay only' plug-in would be perfect if someone knows of such a thing.
 
THankx again all,
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Re: How to shift a track by *Exactly* 500ms in X3 2015/01/09 08:50:43 (permalink)
Could you just explain the setup in a little more depth, please. Routing, etc.
 
When you say live performance, are you triggering the piano from Sonar - is it to play live?
 
The more detailed that you are, the more likely it is that we might be able to help.
 
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Re: How to shift a track by *Exactly* 500ms in X3 2015/01/09 09:28:52 (permalink)
Sonar triggers everything live, I have a Motif-Rack and a host of other synth's as well as a pipe organ and piano all wired to usb midi mufti-port's.  
 
Thankx again for you help,
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Re: How to shift a track by *Exactly* 500ms in X3 2015/01/09 09:29:38 (permalink)
Also I have the straight version of X3, would perhaps the studio version offer more help for me?
 
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Re: How to shift a track by *Exactly* 500ms in X3 2015/01/10 17:17:25 (permalink)
I just can't get the built in delay to stop using the original (dry) note, does someone know of another delay plug-in I could get??
 
So close but still beating my head on the wall.
 
Thankx again,
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