AdamGrossmanLG
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Problem With Bouncing Step Sequencers
Hello Everyone, I've had this issue now on my tracks. If I have a bunch of different step sequence patterns in a track along with some additional manually played parts in another take in a single midi track, then I go bounce to clips, it cuts parts of the drum track. Please see the screen shots below. This is my drum track in gold, it consists of step sequencer patterns and also some manual clips I played on top (if you opened the take lanes, you would see 2 lanes, 1 for step sequence patterns and 1 manually played track (for fills and things like that) I then wanted to bounce them to clips, which I do, but this is the end result: as you can see, the 2nd half of the song now has NO DRUMS! The reason I do this is also a Sonar flaw. I notice if I export the file with step sequencer patterns, sometimes they dont play in the export (but thats for another thread I guess). Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Adam
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MondoArt
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Re: Problem With Bouncing Step Sequencers
2015/01/13 13:31:28
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Hmmm, that's curious. I don't usually do it that way, myself. I usually have the step sequencer clips on one track (usually an instrument track), and then if I want to add fills etc, I'll create a new MIDI track, route it to the soft synth track, and add my manual MIDI stuff. Never had a problem.
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Re: Problem With Bouncing Step Sequencers
2015/01/14 02:56:44
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Anything muted when you bounced? Muted MIDI gets thrown away on bounce to clips. It might help to see the track with lanes showing.
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AdamGrossmanLG
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Re: Problem With Bouncing Step Sequencers
2015/01/14 14:58:08
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nope, nothing muted. sometimes i export and it works great, other times it doesnt... sometimes right after one another. seems like a resource issue but my machine is a beast.
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Spencer
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Re: Problem With Bouncing Step Sequencers
2015/01/14 15:00:31
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☄ Helpfulby alewgro 2015/01/14 15:01:36
in my experience, step sequencer is broken, and will stop playing randomly whether during playback or bouncing. I just write patterns with it then convert it to midi, no problems then.
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AdamGrossmanLG
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Re: Problem With Bouncing Step Sequencers
2015/01/14 15:02:06
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Spencer in my experience, step sequencer is broken, and will stop playing randomly whether during playback or bouncing. I just write patterns with it then convert it to midi, no problems then.
YES! I have this same problem when playing tracks too! you are correct. I am buying Sonar 2015... if it still exists there, I will make a problem report.
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Spencer
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Re: Problem With Bouncing Step Sequencers
2015/01/14 15:04:26
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I'm waiting to know if the step sequencer is fixed before upgrading myself, I've had my share of buying broken features. Same for the MIDI effects actually.
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AdamGrossmanLG
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Re: Problem With Bouncing Step Sequencers
2015/01/14 15:06:27
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Yea I've been upgrading no matter what, simply because I KNOW Sonar... I want to make music, not learn another DAW... but I know im probably wrong there.
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Re: Problem With Bouncing Step Sequencers
2015/01/14 15:11:11
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alewgro Yea I've been upgrading no matter what, simply because I KNOW Sonar... I want to make music, not learn another DAW... but I know im probably wrong there.
I don't think that's wrong at all. The focus should always be on making music, not obtaining/learning the latest gizmo. Last year I considered moving to Reaper, downloaded the demo, and couldn't get it to do much of anything. That, and Sonar coincidently started giving me all sorts of strange problems which didn't get fixed until I re-installed Windows and started again. Bottom line, I'm sticking with Sonar - I know it well enough that it allows me to focus on making music.
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Re: Problem With Bouncing Step Sequencers
2015/01/14 15:16:49
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Oh yeah, Groove Quantize is also broken. It literally doesn't do anything. Like, zero effect. So we have: -Step Sequencer -MIDI effects -Groove Quantize anything else? let's compile a list of features that we paid for that straight up don't work at all, just for fun I mean, I'm well aware that Sonar is the best daw (theoretically anyway, if it worked), that's why I use it, I'm an exceptional producer and I'm gonna be well known one day, and boy am I gonna have a field day using my reach to expose in great detail to the music community how sonar doesn't ****ing work
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Re: Problem With Bouncing Step Sequencers
2015/01/14 15:18:40
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The SS is the only part of SONAR that I could consistantly crash, and prompted me to buy Geist two Christmases ago. I have not revisited the SS since, so not sure what has been updated with it, but it was causing me severe grief when editing.
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Spencer
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Re: Problem With Bouncing Step Sequencers
2015/01/14 15:22:02
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yeah they really need to hire testers that actually use the program to make music. no idea what the testers actually do tbh
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Re: Problem With Bouncing Step Sequencers
2015/01/14 15:26:12
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hey I got another one. Set Start and Set End in the synth rack knobs doesn't work. no point at all to the synth rack therefore. -Synth Rack Control Assign -Step Sequencer -MIDI effects -Groove Quantize
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Re: Problem With Bouncing Step Sequencers
2015/01/15 19:44:49
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Not saying this will work in your case, but many step sequencer oddities (and some other MIDI malfunctions, particularly missing notes on playback) are caused by the MIDI playback buffer being too small. If you've not already done so, try going into preferences/MIDI/playback and recording and if theMIDI playback buffer is anything less tham 500 (the default is 250) set it to 500 and try that. If there are still problems try 750. The buffer tells SOnar how far ahaed to read the MIDI data so there's time to processit. If the buffer is too small then it overflows and missed notes, sections missing on bounces and similar odd things happen. For what it's worth I find the step sequencer very stable, and I use it a great deal.
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AdamGrossmanLG
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Re: Problem With Bouncing Step Sequencers
2015/01/15 19:46:44
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tlw Not saying this will work in your case, but many step sequencer oddities (and some other MIDI malfunctions, particularly missing notes on playback) are caused by the MIDI playback buffer being too small. If you've not already done so, try going into preferences/MIDI/playback and recording and if theMIDI playback buffer is anything less tham 500 (the default is 250) set it to 500 and try that. If there are still problems try 750. The buffer tells SOnar how far ahaed to read the MIDI data so there's time to processit. If the buffer is too small then it overflows and missed notes, sections missing on bounces and similar odd things happen. For what it's worth I find the step sequencer very stable, and I use it a great deal.
Hi tlw, I tried this. My machine is top notch too. I think its just flawed. Any machine I've ever used step sequencer I've seen this.
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AdamGrossmanLG
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Re: Problem With Bouncing Step Sequencers
2015/01/15 19:47:08
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bounce the step sequencer to a clip, and all is good. doubt its a MIDI buffering thing.
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Re: Problem With Bouncing Step Sequencers
2015/01/16 09:48:54
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I use step sequencer all the time, for mostly drum tracks. It has some quirks, but I have no trouble cruising through writing and playing with it. If you or anyone else here, are having a bunch of issues with it, please detail each issue in a separate thread, so that we can try to help resolve the issues for you. If Step Sequencer doesn't give you what you want, then there is also the Piano Roll View available, which though different, is quite powerful. Thanks, Bob Bone
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Re: Problem With Bouncing Step Sequencers
2015/01/16 10:38:21
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Spencer yeah they really need to hire testers that actually use the program to make music. no idea what the testers actually do tbh
I'm assuming they test. I'm also pragmatic enough to realize that with a program so vast, some scenarios are going to get missed during testing. I know when the 1st version of the step sequencer was released, I made tests for myself using what I thought were good common uses. It seemed to work great. After having attempted to use it for years, little quirks surfaced for me that altered intial asessment. Most of these things I am not sure I would call bugs. Even still, it was usable in a limited capacity in that I could make simple patterns and then bounce midi pattern to edit in prv, so I never thought step sequencer was broken...I just didn't like it. Like Mettelus, I went with Geist for step sequencing drums and have not looked back. I strongly suspect that in the test cycles, features like this that are lackluster but not screaming broken fall through the cracks because the issues are not on the radar. Look at the list of new features. None of them scream "run the step sequencer through every possibility". Changes to midi editing were made and probably were focused on more during testing. I don't know if Cakewalk gets enough feedback from people regarding step sequencer to make it priority.
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