Nashure- Tim Smith (starise)/Andra Stephan

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Nashure- Tim Smith (starise)/Andra Stephan

I am slipping a bit guys. I still need to thank everyone for comments on the last song and listen to your songs...and I will do that. 
 
I wanted to post a link here to a recent song between myself and  Andra Stephan. I know there's too much reverb. I'm curious about what you guys would do with reverb on this. Any special techniques you use? It seems passable but I want better than passable...all suggestions welcome and appreciated! Other than backing it off I need to come up with the right delays IOW the right reverb for the job.
 
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    Re: Nashure- Tim Smith (starise)/Andra Stephan 2015/01/14 12:30:22 (permalink)
    How do you use reverb?  
     
    Do you have a single reverb or does each have it's own?
     
    Personally I use a master reverb that acts as a glue to bring all into one space.  Then if individual voices or voice groups I will either add a bus for groups or individually but then it is very sparse. 
     
    Sounds like you know this needs some tweaks but you have a great start.

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    Re: Nashure- Tim Smith (starise)/Andra Stephan 2015/01/14 15:29:26 (permalink)
    I had previously commented on soundcloud, but will expand here.  I like the "overly wet" production on this, and feel that it complements the intertwining parts well.  I wouldn't change it. :)  Stick a flag on it and claim it as new territory for your future productions!

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    Re: Nashure- Tim Smith (starise)/Andra Stephan 2015/01/14 16:32:55 (permalink)
    Very nice production.
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    Re: Nashure- Tim Smith (starise)/Andra Stephan 2015/01/14 17:19:40 (permalink)
    Yeah, I wouldn't change it at all. I think the verb adds a lot to the overall mood...and the violinist is a fantastic player!

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    Re: Nashure- Tim Smith (starise)/Andra Stephan 2015/01/14 19:03:48 (permalink)
    Wookie-  Thanks for responding! I'm using Valhalla room on a reverb send. I have tried various settings and send levels and can't get no satisfaction. Nothing seems to fit...but it did seem too much this last time. I usually don't have any difficulty in setting a reverb, just wondered what it was that you guys liked/used. Valhalla is usually my go to.I don't usually mix violin. I had thought a concert hall would be the best fit....but maybe a smaller one?
     
    Walt- You're a real sport! I appreciate your SC comment...do you mind giving a second opinion on a private track? I think I might try something else and see if it's an improvement. Thank you!
     
    kakku- Thank you! I might make it worse and should probably let well enough alone. Andra liked this version.
     
    Clint- She is incredible on that violin for sure! Thanks!

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    Re: Nashure- Tim Smith (starise)/Andra Stephan 2015/01/14 20:14:24 (permalink)
    Like it. Well done.

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    Re: Nashure- Tim Smith (starise)/Andra Stephan 2015/01/14 21:26:26 (permalink)
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    Walt- You're a real sport! I appreciate your SC comment...do you mind giving a second opinion on a private track? I think I might try something else and see if it's an improvement. Thank you!



    Of course, send it on and I'll be glad to listen.

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    Re: Nashure- Tim Smith (starise)/Andra Stephan 2015/01/15 10:55:25 (permalink)
    Beautiful strings - well-performed and mixed, like everyone's saying.  My only mix suggestion would be to make the acoustics a little dryer - if you're touching it at all that is, and take that with a grain of salt.  Really like the ending you have here.

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    Re: Nashure- Tim Smith (starise)/Andra Stephan 2015/01/15 11:53:54 (permalink)
    Really nice Tim - dream like.
    I'm listening on crappy speakers but I will have another listen tonight.
     
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    Re: Nashure- Tim Smith (starise)/Andra Stephan 2015/01/15 19:58:06 (permalink)
    Thanks guys for your comments.
     
    I heeded the suggestions...I didn't want to change it too drastically, but I did remove some reverb and slightly bring out the acoustic more....this is now posted as our main track.
     
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    Re: Nashure- Tim Smith (starise)/Andra Stephan 2015/01/16 10:29:52 (permalink)
    Others may differ, but I prefer the first mix (although they seem pretty similar).  I think the added definition in the 2nd mix takes away from the fluidity a bit.  Both are nice though. :)

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    Re: Nashure- Tim Smith (starise)/Andra Stephan 2015/01/17 10:02:25 (permalink)
    I like the reverb on this, it suits the track really well. Very nice piece, really evocative, and excellent violin work. Reminds me of 'Secret Garden', an Irish/Norwegian duo.

     
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    Re: Nashure- Tim Smith (starise)/Andra Stephan 2015/01/21 12:28:40 (permalink)
    Walt- Many thanks! I appreciate the feedback!
     
    James- Hmmmm...an Irish/Norwegian duo?  Sounds interesting! Thanks for your thoughts on this!

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    Re: Nashure- Tim Smith (starise)/Andra Stephan 2015/01/21 12:52:06 (permalink)
    Can I say...... Wow!

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    Re: Nashure- Tim Smith (starise)/Andra Stephan 2015/01/22 15:57:17 (permalink)
    Like has been said many times before, I quite liked the generous amount of reverb on the first version, really suited the style of the music. 

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    Re: Nashure- Tim Smith (starise)/Andra Stephan 2015/01/22 17:25:24 (permalink)
    this is absolutely beautiful Tim and Andra!  haunting and compelling.
     
     

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    Re: Nashure- Tim Smith (starise)/Andra Stephan 2015/01/22 17:26:42 (permalink)
    STARISE...
    i like the reverb,
    but i think i know what you are after.
     
     
    try this:
     
    put your valhalla on it's on bus, 
    and use sends from each track, to the valhalla reverb bus.
     
    either in the valhalla plug (i do not know this plug) or in the bus EQ section,
     
    EQ the reverb:
    roll off everything above about 5khz, and everything below 500hz.
     
    then, re-set all the sends from the tracks, in the amounts you need.
     
    see if that works.
     
     
     
    great tune, really nice.

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    Re: Nashure- Tim Smith (starise)/Andra Stephan 2015/01/27 10:28:56 (permalink)
    The violin parts remind me of some of the violin on some Patrick O'hearn albums...very dramatic and emotional...great job...I think your mixes are louder than mine and I'm a loudness monster... ;) -Shawn

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    Re: Nashure- Tim Smith (starise)/Andra Stephan 2015/01/27 14:06:09 (permalink)
    It seems like the strings (violin solos) are a bit hot.  I turn down the volume and they still sound loud.  Could just be me.  Reverb sounds fine to me but that's another personal preference.  Parts of it sound like a bit from the movie "The Village" but not enough to be a copy.  I notice it because I love that movie and sound track.  It's only a measure or so.  This is very nice Tim.

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    Re: Nashure- Tim Smith (starise)/Andra Stephan 2015/01/27 19:30:53 (permalink)
    I use Wookiee's method for adding reverb to mixes. Add your preferred Reverb to the master track. Back it off a touch after you've got what you think is about right, then add a little more to each instrument in it's own effects bin to give that instrument a little more.
    I must admit that sometimes I spend hours looking for just the right reverb for a track, it seems like one of the hardest decisions to make. I really like convolution, and just spent much time adding all the 'Perfect Space' Wav files over to ReMatrix Solo.
    I feel like there is little too much on this track but then again it does give it an ethereal vibe which suits the material. Keep at it.

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