Minor Platinum glitch/thing

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2015/01/16 09:19:53 (permalink)

Minor Platinum glitch/thing

Hey folks. Just installed Sonar Platinum (upgraded from X3e). Only the program itself, none of the included packs (FX, AD2, or any of that). Wanted to give it a try right away so I opened a current project of mine. Sonar opened smoothly, did a VST scan, project opened fine.
 
When I began playback, my midi drum track (using Addictive Drums 1) was out of sync with everything else. I stopped playback, started again, same thing. Moved the now time around a bit, corrected.
 
I noticed that this is only happening when one track is solo'ed (using dim solo function so that I can hear the other tracks as well). Standard non-solo playback is fine.....so far.
 
Is this new? Or has someone had this problem before and I just missed it on the forums?
 
I hate to complain. I love Sonar. It's to be expected that a few glitches will exist right out of the gate. Kinda got lucky finding this one within the first 30 seconds of use. LOL.

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    Flerb
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    Re: Minor Platinum glitch/thing 2015/01/16 09:31:28 (permalink)
    Another thing I just noticed. The drum pane reverts back to a small size area at the top of the piano roll whenever a different track is selected in the track view. This happens whether the piano roll window is floating or docked, visible or not.
     
    Maybe these 2 things are related somehow? With drum midi being the common thread?
     
    Need someone who is smarter than me to help (this means you).
     

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    Re: Minor Platinum glitch/thing 2015/01/16 09:39:57 (permalink)
    You might have to wait till more with a prerelease version can help troubleshoot. As it is now I'd say that 99.999% of users are still on X3e or newer.

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    Re: Minor Platinum glitch/thing 2015/01/16 09:42:12 (permalink)
    Flerb
    Another thing I just noticed. The drum pane reverts back to a small size area at the top of the piano roll whenever a different track is selected in the track view. This happens whether the piano roll window is floating or docked, visible or not.
     
    Maybe these 2 things are related somehow? With drum midi being the common thread?
     
    Need someone who is smarter than me to help (this means you).



     
    I think that's been happening for as long as there has been a drum map name option in the PRV. It used to get on my nerves so I went back to using a drum kit and microphones.


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    Re: Minor Platinum glitch/thing 2015/01/16 09:42:19 (permalink)
    mudgel
    You might have to wait till more with a prerelease version can help troubleshoot. As it is now I'd say that 99.999% of users are still on X3e or newer.



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    Re: Minor Platinum glitch/thing 2015/01/16 10:50:13 (permalink)
    Yeah, no show stoppers here. Just doing my due diligence and reporting stuff that's all. Was hoping to get the attention of the bakers more than anyone. It's all good. Liking the Command Center as well, download and install was effortless. Maybe because I lucked out with the early download and lower traffic, the download was super fast!
     
     

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    Re: Minor Platinum glitch/thing 2015/01/16 12:30:10 (permalink)
    Flerb
    When I began playback, my midi drum track (using Addictive Drums 1) was out of sync with everything else. I stopped playback, started again, same thing. Moved the now time around a bit, corrected.
     
    I noticed that this is only happening when one track is solo'ed (using dim solo function so that I can hear the other tracks as well). Standard non-solo playback is fine.....so far.
     
    Is this new? Or has someone had this problem before and I just missed it on the forums?



    I have seen references to this recently, and going back quite some time. I'm wondering if it might be related to the MIDI looping sync issue that was determined to be caused by having a non-zero gain value on a track (fixed in an X3 patch IIRC). If Dim Solo uses the same gain/attenuation functionality, there might be a connection. There have also been references to this involving muting/unmuting MIDI tracks. In any case, I don't think it's Platinum-specific. It's rare enough that it seems it's either platform-specific or involves some other project/system configuration setting that not everyone uses.
     
    If you can consistently reproduce it, you should submit a Problem Report with demo project to the Bakers.

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    Re: Minor Platinum glitch/thing 2015/01/16 13:09:50 (permalink)
    Flerb- are you using touch at all?

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    Re: Minor Platinum glitch/thing 2015/01/16 14:31:36 (permalink)
    No touch, just the old-fashioned mouse. I do use a Frontier Tranzport controller though.

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    Re: Minor Platinum glitch/thing 2015/01/16 14:55:54 (permalink)
    Interesting. I can't make the same happen here, at least not with the info provided. I'm curious if it relates to Plugin Delay Compensation somehow. Can you still reproduce the problem after overriding PDC? It's in the mix module in the Control Bar. Click the button labeled "PDC" so that it's lit, then try to make it happen again. Please report back - that would be a very useful lead. Thanks.

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    Re: Minor Platinum glitch/thing 2015/01/16 17:34:48 (permalink)
    Flerb
    No touch, just the old-fashioned mouse. I do use a Frontier Tranzport controller though.


    Thanks Flerb
     

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    Re: Minor Platinum glitch/thing 2015/01/16 17:44:44 (permalink)
    Flerb must be an "insider"...it's not even available yet and he's already got 
    it installed....hmmmmm


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    Re: Minor Platinum glitch/thing 2015/01/17 03:35:35 (permalink)
    cclarry
    Flerb must be an "insider"...it's not even available yet and he's already got 
    it installed....hmmmmm




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    Maybe start posting issues with new Sonar in the Problem Reports-forum as well, just to make it easier for Cake to find them quickly? :)
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    Re: Minor Platinum glitch/thing 2015/01/18 15:31:28 (permalink)
    OK, so I finally got some more time to analyze this problem.
     
    My project is saved with SOLO and DIM buttons on. Everytime I open the project, the drums are out of sync. Not only out of sync, but playing at a slower tempo than the rest of the project, by about 20 bpm. Turning SOLO or DIM on and off while project is playing does not correct it. Sometimes, but not always, stopping playback and starting again corrects it. Turning PDC on or off during playback corrects it everytime, but it doesn't seem to matter if PDC remains on or off, drums still in sync.
     
    After correcting it, I can make it happen again by stopping playback, turning DIM on, then SOLO. This sequence makes the problem return everytime.
     
    Trying to follow the notes displayed in drum pane as the song is playing with the problem active, it seems that AD is playing midi notes that aren't there at all, and only playing some notes that are there.
     
    A weird problem, but not too bad, I can still work around it.

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    Re: Minor Platinum glitch/thing 2015/01/19 08:44:05 (permalink)
    Bump.
     
    For Bill Jackson, as he had requested a response.

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    Re: Minor Platinum glitch/thing 2015/01/19 13:20:07 (permalink)
    I believe this is just another manifestation of SONAR's long standing flaky MIDI implementation. See this for an easy way to repro similar issues (also involves Dim Solo, so I suspect it might be related):
     
    http://youtu.be/M5av9ppI4vw
     
    This has been going on for many years. Things get especially bad when you rely on MIDI data sent out from some plugins into another track. Sometimes the data sent out from those plugins would be out of sync too (like from a different measure altogether), or would momentarily bleed into the wrong tracks as you simply select between tracks.
     
    It sounds like a drum map might suffer from some of these same issues. I don't use drum maps but maybe I should see if I can repro some issues and then log problem reports for it. Please log problem reports for anything you run into, when possible.
     
    I am really excited about all the new changes in SONAR, and this release seems to be good compared to say the X1 release. However it boggles my mind that CW can't implement a solid MIDI foundation. No modern DAW should have basic issues like that shown in the video, yet here we are dragging those issues from release to release. Why is it so hard to get the basics right?
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