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Addictive Drums vs. Superior Drummer?
Hey All,
Kinda new to Cakewalk (early 2014) and the forums. Amazing product, and everyone here seems so helpful. I've learned alot just reading everyone's posts, and some of the great content and tutorials put in here by staff. I had a quick questions about drum virtual instruments, and it relates to the upgrade to the new Sonar.
I currently have X3e Studio, which has been an amazing (I'm still finding my way around). I thought about getting Producer back then, but it seemed the biggest difference was the inclusion of Addictive Drums. I already had Toontrack's Superior Drummer 2.3, so I figured I'd just go with Studio. I wish now I had upgraded at Christmas just for all the Prochannel goodies, but no sense crying over missed opportunities. :)
I am looking at upgrading to Professional (as I don't think I will be able to talk the wife into the extra $200 to upgrade to Platinum). I was wondering what peoples experience is with AD, and if folks have experience with SD, and if one integrates better with Sonar in terms of routing or workflow, etc? I finally got a SD routing set up I like, but I've heard great things about AD too.
I'm a drummer first, so new shiny drum stuff always captures my attention :)
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Re: Addictive Drums vs. Superior Drummer?
2015/01/20 14:24:26
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Let me put it this way I've got Superior Drummer, Abbey Road Drums, Steven Slate Drums, BFD3 and AD2....
AD2 is the only dru rack I use these days its an awesome product and integrates seemlessly with Sonar
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Re: Addictive Drums vs. Superior Drummer?
2015/01/20 14:25:53
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Plus you get 3 xpansion packs included in the price???
Fairfield 1 and 2 and either the jazz kits or the Reel drums make this upgrade an absolute no brainer for me
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Re: Addictive Drums vs. Superior Drummer?
2015/01/20 14:27:50
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I think the AD kit presets sound way more processed than SD out of the box. SD seems a little more natural. Still, AD sounds powerful and if you add some midi paks it's really quick to work out song ideas.
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Re: Addictive Drums vs. Superior Drummer?
2015/01/20 14:34:46
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I like AD2 quite a bit, but it's a bit dry if you're used to the rooms that Sup Drummer was recorded in. If you like the sound of SD2 you'll be reaching for reverb pretty regularly when you use it. That's not to say it's bad, it's just different...all in all it's a good "flavor" to have.
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Re: Addictive Drums vs. Superior Drummer?
2015/01/20 14:47:01
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All of the drums in SD are raw, so they need their own mix job. I'm not sure if the same is true for AD2 (I don't think it is), but I'm still going to get it when I hopefully upgrade to the new Sonar, even though I do prefer to do my own mixing on the drums, which I'm still getting better at. I have Steven Slate Drums 4 too, and I still prefer Superior Drummer 2. SSD4 most definitely has a machine gun effect going on with the toms and I think the kick, from when I last used it.
I have no problems integrating SD with Sonar.
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Re: Addictive Drums vs. Superior Drummer?
2015/01/20 14:58:06
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The last track I completed involved experimenting with every drum program I have - AD1, SD2 and EZD2 (that I have a lot of expansion packs for). I was layering kits and chopping and changing and getting into a right mess.
I then used the stock SD2 program on its lonesome and it all came together. It's easy to add things like reverb but it's hard to take it away if it's already there.
Other people's mileage may vary.
Grum.
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Re: Addictive Drums vs. Superior Drummer?
2015/01/20 14:58:55
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AD sounds good "out of the box" and that is because they are tweaked quite a bit, with compression and processing. But you can easily work up a dry kit if you want - the underlying samples are very good.
Caveat: I've never used a competing drum product.
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Re: Addictive Drums vs. Superior Drummer?
2015/01/20 14:59:46
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As a drummer I have come a different conclusion. I have SD2, Steven Slate, and some Kontakt drums. Altogether I have probably 25 or more kits. I don't need any more kits or plugins I need to learn. I need to figure out how to optimize the kits I own. Mostly that is done by playing my ekit better! There are reasons to possibly upgrade from X3, but more kits is not one of them for me.
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Re: Addictive Drums vs. Superior Drummer?
2015/01/20 15:25:52
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Wow. Thanks for the quick feedback all.
I have definitely loved SD since I picked it up to provide the sounds for my TrapKAT. The first time I did a recording with it, and played it back, it was really hard to believe it was a midi kit triggering samples. edrums have come a LONG way since the first time I had tried them out, back with the early vdrum kits.
It might be nice to have something like AD in my tool box though for when I'm throwing together a quick sketch, as I'm still learning all of the ins and outs of taming those raw drums sounds in different ways. Plus, the Black Velvet ADpak basically replicates my old acoustic drum set up drum-for-drum and cymbal-for-cymbal, so might be nice just for nostalgia's sake :)
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Re: Addictive Drums vs. Superior Drummer?
2015/01/20 15:58:01
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AD2 is pretty rad, nice and fast editing of things. Very elegant.
I wish some of their kits were....weirder. I've already got a dump truck of regular kits samples. Toontrack's Twisted kit is one of my go-tos and there's not really anything like it (yet) in AD2.
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Re: Addictive Drums vs. Superior Drummer?
2015/01/20 16:07:54
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I've used both. I started on EZ Drummer and then upgraded to Superior 2.0. I checked out AD since it came with X3 and found it much easier to get the sound I wanted so I never went back. And the Fairfax kit pretty much sealed the deal.
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Re: Addictive Drums vs. Superior Drummer?
2015/01/20 16:10:56
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I've checked out every drum program there is and I can't say one's better than others.
Superior is probably where I would have landed if AD1 hadn't fell into my lap, but I'm happy.
The one thing I can say about the AD2 pack (kits) demos do include a lot of processing that became irritating after hearing everything twice, but as stickman said you can use all the kits dry & I think they're all distinctive.
Drums have always been the most difficult thing about music for me, but what's now easy and beloved by me isn't going to necessarily be the best thing for anybody else.
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Re: Addictive Drums vs. Superior Drummer?
2015/01/20 16:16:19
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I do mostly Traditional Country and some Texas Western Swing. Neither is in AD2. I looked at the add on packages and there are none for these music genre's.
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Re: Addictive Drums vs. Superior Drummer?
2015/01/20 16:40:35
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☄ Helpfulby mettelus 2015/01/20 16:51:44
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I do mostly Traditional Country and some Texas Western Swing. Neither is in AD2. I looked at the add on packages and there are none for these music genre's.
I think many of the kits for AD will work with your genres, they just don't bill them as such. I think that is the drawback when giving these kits genre labels. I can understand it with the midipaks, but I have never seen a country music drummer sit on a throne and say "can't do this, it's a classic rock kit". I know there are slight differences on small things but most of those can be overcome by switching out kit components. I'm still deciding on which ones to get. I have been mostly ignoring the genre labels and listening for samples. I wish the demos also played the samples dry too. Right now I am thinking of getting vintage dry and the jazz brushes. A quality brush kit seems harder to find than most types of kits for me. Not even sure i will use it but my son is a jazz drummer so he might. Only tried SD briefly. Honestly they seem close eniugh that there is no wrong choice, but having it come with Sonar made it an easy choice for me.
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Re: Addictive Drums vs. Superior Drummer?
2015/01/20 19:53:18
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AD2 would compare more favourably with EZDrummer than Superior Drummer.
SD2 samples are not treated so it's like starting with a live drum kit ready for treatment in your mix just as if you recorded them yourself. The SD2 Presets help side to side step that problem.
If you don't want control or don't want to spend the time then AD2 would seem quicker to work with out of the box.
I prefer full control.
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Re: Addictive Drums vs. Superior Drummer?
2015/01/20 20:19:04
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I have BFD, AD2, and Superior Drummer 2. SD2 wins across the board but I have quite a collection of kits, too. SD2 has a very steep learning grade but it is well worth the effort. AD2 gets a little use from time to time but I only had the kits that came with it. Now with the Platinum update I plan to take advantage of the Producer's Bundle and pick up the Black Velvet and Fairfax 1 & 2 Kits.
I still am so satisfied with Toontrack I will probably still stick most of the time to SD2. But, after all! It's all about options! LOL
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Re: Addictive Drums vs. Superior Drummer?
2015/01/20 20:41:20
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jmagerman
Hey All,
I currently have X3e Studio, which has been an amazing (I'm still finding my way around). I thought about getting Producer back then, but it seemed the biggest difference was the inclusion of Addictive Drums. I already had Toontrack's Superior Drummer 2.3, so I figured I'd just go with Studio.
I did the same (Studio) as I have a ton of other stuff. I never gelled with Superior, I don't have the patience or skill. EZ 2 is extremely impressive, especially for those of us who stocked up on expansions. Never cared for AD although some folks get great results from it. A plug for Abbey Road 80s drummer: if you like clean drums (and many people don't), they are pristine. They aren't really "80s" as the gated reverb is not sampled. They are my favorite at the moment because they are so easy to fit in a mix.
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Re: Addictive Drums vs. Superior Drummer?
2015/01/20 20:46:31
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Ya know ...the real test is what YOU like ... like many in this thread ... I absolutely loved EZ Drummer when it first came out ... the Drumkit from Hell expansion rapidly became my favorite because I could get the kick drum to sound like I wanted ... I have used Superior Drummer and Session Drummer extensively ...purchased lots of expansions for both ... things worked out well when I used them.
THEN ...I got my mitts on Addictive Drums ...totally LOVED it.
AD2 ...to my ears... is the go to drum program here in my studio... the metal kit is my favorite but all the kits have characteristics I enjoy working with from project to project.
Here's my humble opinion: I work with them all for various sounds ... Addictive Drums 2 remains my favorite thus far.... I create music for private clients who go on to sell the heck out of the products...
OH ... Battery 4 is a lot of fun...
In the end ... I wish you all the money you need to purchase all of these and more...
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Re: Addictive Drums vs. Superior Drummer?
2015/01/20 21:04:36
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fireberd
I do mostly Traditional Country and some Texas Western Swing. Neither is in AD2. I looked at the add on packages and there are none for these music genre's.
I think many of the kits for AD will work with your genres, they just don't bill them as such. I think that is the drawback when giving these kits genre labels. I can understand it with the midipaks, but I have never seen a country music drummer sit on a throne and say "can't do this, it's a classic rock kit". I know there are slight differences on small things but most of those can be overcome by switching out kit components.
I'm still deciding on which ones to get. I have been mostly ignoring the genre labels and listening for samples. I wish the demos also played the samples dry too. Right now I am thinking of getting vintage dry and the jazz brushes. A quality brush kit seems harder to find than most types of kits for me. Not even sure i will use it but my son is a jazz drummer so he might. Only tried SD briefly. Honestly they seem close eniugh that there is no wrong choice, but having it come with Sonar made it an easy choice for me.
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A good example of this is the Jazz Brushes Demos. I listened to the and felt, yeah they'll do, sounds Jazzy, but then one of the demos is a modern folk track, it sounded very different. That swung (unintentional punn) it for me. Fairfaxes went on offer, I was too rash, and although they interest me, they are not exactly my thing. Good to have. But then a 2 adpak offer came up, so I took Brush and Dry (sounds lke a hairdressers), These are much more me and am very happy with me. If the did a hotrods kit, and a Mallet kit, I'd also be interested.
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Re: Addictive Drums vs. Superior Drummer?
2015/01/21 00:52:38
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I am hoping AD2 does more for me that AD1, I have read so many good things about the Fairfax kits. I just could not see me using AD1 when I have Superior and BFD3 based on the AD1 factory kits.
BFD3 is probably the best out there at the moment but I still get more use out of Superior, I have had it a lot longer and I have more track templates setup.
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Re: Addictive Drums vs. Superior Drummer?
2015/01/21 01:09:29
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I have BFD, AD2, and Superior Drummer 2. SD2 wins across the board but I have quite a collection of kits, too. SD2 has a very steep learning grade but it is well worth the effort. AD2 gets a little use from time to time but I only had the kits that came with it. Now with the Platinum update I plan to take advantage of the Producer's Bundle and pick up the Black Velvet and Fairfax 1 & 2 Kits.
I still am so satisfied with Toontrack I will probably still stick most of the time to SD2. But, after all! It's all about options! LOL
It is.
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Re: Addictive Drums vs. Superior Drummer?
2015/01/21 02:19:41
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I love the interface for AD, very simple and quick to use. Get's the job done. Very easy to use when using an e-kit to trigger the sounds. I love the way they show a picture of the kit you have loaded. I know it doesn't really do anything functional other than give you a visual reinforcement of what sample you have pulled up, but it's a nice little visual cue.
As a drummer, I can't stand the way they sampled some of the drums. In the Fairfax set they sample a Gretsch round badge kit and they tuned the heads way down to where it loses all the magic that kit has. The thinner shell you need to tune the heads up to get those beautiful overtones that kit has. You will get the bottom end because the shell is so thin. The way they sample it, it sounds like a cardboard box.
Other than that, I can't believe they don't have a sample of a Yamaha Recording Custom which was the number one recorded studio kit from 1975-1995. And and even bigger sin was recording their jazz samples on a Premier Gen-X kit, are you freaking kidding me? And not one single Slingerland kit sampled.
Having said that, I do like the standard kits with the AD1 with Sonar X3. It was a little annoying trying to figure out which kit they sampled when they say "Tama Starclassic", Starclassic what? Bubinga? Maple? B/B? they all sound different. But I did like the samples and I really love the Sonor Designer kit they sampled.
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Re: Addictive Drums vs. Superior Drummer?
2015/01/21 06:26:29
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dubdisciple, I went through everything included with AD2 and none do it for me. "Traditional" Country is not the modern "rock country" that Nashville is grinding out now. If I was doing that then I could find a lot of useful drum patterns. If I want to use AD2 I will have to learn how to create my own.
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Re: Addictive Drums vs. Superior Drummer?
2015/01/21 11:29:33
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Question. Are the AD2 midi patterns useable with another engine? Superior for example? Can you just set up a drum map? I have X3 but didn't DL the AD stuff. Thanks. 
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Re: Addictive Drums vs. Superior Drummer?
2015/01/21 11:48:29
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I have BFD, AD2, and Superior Drummer 2. SD2 wins across the board but I have quite a collection of kits, too. SD2 has a very steep learning grade but it is well worth the effort. AD2 gets a little use from time to time but I only had the kits that came with it. Now with the Platinum update I plan to take advantage of the Producer's Bundle and pick up the Black Velvet and Fairfax 1 & 2 Kits.
I still am so satisfied with Toontrack I will probably still stick most of the time to SD2. But, after all! It's all about options! LOL
SD2 is definitely the most powerful of the three. However I feel SD2 lacks alot of samples of what I consider classic kits. They are better than AD, as they have a good selection of Slingerland kits, but again, no Yamaha Recording Custom. I think BFD might be the only VST that uses Recording Custom samples. SD2 does a huge sampling of GMS kits which I like their drums, but they aren't signature sounds. There's no drummer out there who has their sound associated with GMS.
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Re: Addictive Drums vs. Superior Drummer?
2015/01/21 11:55:50
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If you like spending a bit of time tweaking drums to get it exactly as you want it to be, then SD is best for you. If you like to get something quick, phat, and full sounding straight out of the box, then AD2 is the way......(BTW, they also have dry kits for your tweaking pleasure).
I'm somewhat lazy when it comes to drums and like to have them "ready to go", so I sold my copy of SD and only use AD2 now.........very happy with this decision.......I love the Black Velvet kit.
Just having the AD2 bundle included in Sonar makes it a very easy choice for me.
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Re: Addictive Drums vs. Superior Drummer?
2015/01/21 12:33:05
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declan
I've checked out every drum program there is and I can't say one's better than others.
I own nearly every (major) drum program out there and I can't say one's better than others. I can say I chose one over the other on a song by song basis. WRT the OP I can't say any more or less than anyone has already said. AD2 and Sup2 are different animals and will be a success or a failure based on your needs.
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Re: Addictive Drums vs. Superior Drummer?
2015/01/21 17:58:58
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Denverdrummer: there is a Yamaha kit in an Ezdrummerr expansion pack. I think it is the Classic kit. You can use that kit in SD2.
I am a little confused about SD2 being hard to use. I mean it has eq and compressors etc. Stuff I thought most
X3 users would be comfortable using. There are a number of Producer Packs that can help out as well.
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Re: Addictive Drums vs. Superior Drummer?
2015/01/21 18:38:27
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Denverdrummer: there is a Yamaha kit in an Ezdrummerr expansion pack. I think it is the Classic kit. You can use that kit in SD2.
I am a little confused about SD2 being hard to use. I mean it has eq and compressors etc. Stuff I thought most
X3 users would be comfortable using. There are a number of Producer Packs that can help out as well.
I love Toontrack's producer presets. And their midi packs. Hell, even their SDX expanions. I just bought the Metal Machinery SDX over the holiday season (a time period where I totally overspent lolololol) and love the way it sounds. I've yet to make my own drum sound out of the raw samples, but am going to do that on a track I'll continue work on once Sonar 2015 installs. :)!!!
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