monstaar888
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Separate each instrument on Addictive Drums onto it's own track (SONAR Platinum)
I am looking to insert an Addictive Drums kit into a project and put each instrument (bass drum, snare, HH etc) on it's own track (ie: track1: HH, Track 2: bass drum, Track 3: snare etc etc).
I have followed some tutorials and, when inserting, I check (MIDI Source, Synth Track Folder and All Synth Audio Outputs:Mono), and that does create a bunch of tracks. But there isn't a "record" button on each track so I cannot record whatever instrument onto it's assigned track. It all just records the MIDI onto one track (the last one). I notice there is only a record button on the first "track" (the folder) and last track (MIDI) and all the ones in the middle (the particular instruments) have no record button. I have also tried recording and then dragging the recorded MIDI notes from the MIDI track onto the track it SHOULD be on but that doesn't work either because once I drag it off the MIDI track onto the "Bass Drum" track (for instance) it should be on, no sound comes out. Any thoughts?
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Re: Separate each instrument on Addictive Drums onto it's own track (SONAR Platinum)
2015/09/15 03:54:57
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☄ Helpfulby monstaar888 2015/09/15 17:12:02
These tracks are for separate audio outputs. You can add more midi tracks (or clone one that you have), but generally you don't need it, because you can do almost everything with midi in one midi track. Also you can use drum map, here is map and project template for AD2: http://www.cakewalk.com/S...ctive-Drums-2-in-SONAR
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Re: Separate each instrument on Addictive Drums onto it's own track (SONAR Platinum)
2015/09/15 04:44:41
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monstaar, how are you proposing to "record" these drums? Adq is quite right in that the separate tracks you've created for the different drums, kick, snare, hat etc are for audio, but if you've set it up correctly, these will be triggered from your (single) midi track It's the midi you'll be recording, and dragging the midi track to the audio won't work because midi is just data - it's not audio.
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Re: Separate each instrument on Addictive Drums onto it's own track (SONAR Platinum)
2015/09/15 05:57:56
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Right ho. @Bristol_Jonesey: For instance, I was hoping to have each MIDI instrument assigned to a different track. I generally record each MIDI instrument separately; HH first, then snare, then BD etc etc. so I wanted each of those instruments on their own track for ease of editing. Initially, I figured I would just insert a new instance of AD for each instrument (BD, HH, snare etc) but that didn't work out either. When inserting the Addictive Drums VST, it gives one the option of creating all of those tracks specific to each instrument, so I assumed that when all the tracks were created, the MIDI data that was recorded would be on the specific track if I chose that particular track and recorded the part (HH, BD snare etc) on that particular track.And the tracks do not seem to be audio tracks (see attached image) it looks to be MIDI. It's somewhat confusing because if one cannot record each specific MIDI instrument to its own track, then what is the point of being able to create all of those MIDI instrument specific tracks in the first place? That is to say, why does SONAR have the option of creating all of those tracks if one cannot do anything with them? It creates an individual track for HH, BD, snare, etc but does not allow one to record the MIDI data for each of those instruments on their respective track. That just seems pointless. Perhaps I am just not understanding the concept. Any insight will be greatly appreciated. THANK YOU for your responses!
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Re: Separate each instrument on Addictive Drums onto it's own track (SONAR Platinum)
2015/09/15 05:59:33
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@Adq I will try that method. I was just hoping I could get each instrument on its own track for east of editing. Thank you for that link.
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Re: Separate each instrument on Addictive Drums onto it's own track (SONAR Platinum)
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☄ Helpfulby monstaar888 2015/09/15 17:12:35
The previous posters are correct. The tracks that have been created by the insertion of AD are for the audio that WILL be produced. What you need to do to create the scenario you desire is to now insert a MIDI track in your project for each if the kit pieces. Then, as you build up your drum track one piece at a time, you will achieve what you are aiming for.
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Re: Separate each instrument on Addictive Drums onto it's own track (SONAR Platinum)
2015/09/15 06:53:44
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☄ Helpfulby monstaar888 2015/09/15 17:28:30
In AD2, you are of course selecting the little drop down arrow at the bottom of each kit piece and selecting 'separate out - whatever you choose', and the drop down arrow turns green ?
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Re: Separate each instrument on Addictive Drums onto it's own track (SONAR Platinum)
2015/09/15 07:40:10
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☄ Helpfulby monstaar888 2015/09/15 17:28:11
monstaar888, it is not midi tracks, it is audio tracks associated with AD2 audio outputs (you should be careful with this also, because AD2 has mono outputs for individual instruments, and stereo outputs for OH, Room, Bus and Master). You use them to process different instruments by different plug-ins (eq, compressors, etc.) But there are a lot more (70+) individual sounds that AD2 could play, and which are associated with different midi notes, I don't think you want to create 70+ midi tracks for them. Why do you want different midi tracks for different sounds? I can understand if it were audio samples that you put directly on tracks, but with midi it much more comfortable to have all midi on one track. You could do all the same things, edit, move, change velocity, even solo and mute individual sounds with drum maps, but in addition you can see all drums together in PRV.
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Re: Separate each instrument on Addictive Drums onto it's own track (SONAR Platinum)
2015/09/15 07:48:54
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monstaar888 @Adq I will try that method. I was just hoping I could get each instrument on its own track for ease of editing. Thank you for that link.
I've never understood how one can/could easily edit a drum break if every hit is on a different track.
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Re: Separate each instrument on Addictive Drums onto it's own track (SONAR Platinum)
2015/09/15 08:26:16
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☄ Helpfulby monstaar888 2015/09/15 17:27:48
Just to clarify for the OP: You edit the Midi track (single) for performance related criteria - velocity, timing, hits etc You edit the Audio tracks (plural) for things like EQ, Compression, Reverb etc. You instruct AD2 (and any similar drum synth) to send all of the data associated with a certain key (or keys) to a given Audio Track. To make like easier (Ha!) you can set up a drum map in Sonar's PRV.
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Re: Separate each instrument on Addictive Drums onto it's own track (SONAR Platinum)
2015/09/15 13:45:45
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☄ Helpfulby monstaar888 2015/09/15 17:11:48
As was suggested, just use a drum map on one midi track for all the kit peices. You can still record everything piecemeal, but once all tracks are recorded, they will all reside on one midi track. I can't imagine how you would edit with any consistency if your drum grooves and fills were on 15 different midi tracks! Try these suggestions and I think you will see it works very well.
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Re: Separate each instrument on Addictive Drums onto it's own track (SONAR Platinum)
2015/09/15 13:53:40
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☄ Helpfulby monstaar888 2015/09/15 17:13:19
Counter to most folks here, I also drive a single AD2 instrument with 3-5 separate MIDI tracks. Just create a new MIDI track and assign the output to the AD2 instance. There's no mystery. As to *why* you might want to do that, well, that's irrelevant to this discussion.
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Re: Separate each instrument on Addictive Drums onto it's own track (SONAR Platinum)
2015/09/15 14:03:56
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☄ Helpfulby monstaar888 2015/09/15 17:13:31
To the OP - if you find yourself repeatedly creating the same the track layout and plug-in config with a synth like AD2, do it one time and save it away as a track template. As mentioned above, the standard SONAR Insert Soft Synth Options dialog only makes provision for one MIDI track but it is a simple matter to add as many as you like and point them to the synth. Once setup, create a template.
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Re: Separate each instrument on Addictive Drums onto it's own track (SONAR Platinum)
2015/09/15 17:14:25
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In regard to separate MIDI tracks for those who are wondering about my methodology. For instance, I have a DR-880. On track 1 (for instance) I will record the High Hats. Track 2 I record BD Track 3 I record Snares Track 4 Crashes Track 4 Splash etc etc. If there is a fill that involves more than one instrument (snare, tom1, tom2), that fill (with all instruments involved) will have its own track. And I will put each fill on its own track and name it accordingly. For me, that way is MUCH easier to edit and manipulate each instrument as opposed to searching through a bunch of data all on one MIDI track. Yes, I could go to Event View and filter but again, I find it easier to do it on separate tracks. Unhappily, it seems AD doesn't like that. Also, mind you, I JUST switched over to SONAR from CW Pro Audio 9 so I think there is a different mindset and methodology with earlier versions of CW. I have used CW since like 1991 and have never used another DAW. THANK YOU everyone for your valuable insights!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ch
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Re: Separate each instrument on Addictive Drums onto it's own track (SONAR Platinum)
2015/09/15 17:25:17
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☄ Helpfulby monstaar888 2015/09/15 18:44:59
monstaar888 For me, that way is MUCH easier to edit and manipulate each instrument as opposed to searching through a bunch of data all on one MIDI track. Yes, I could go to Event View and filter but again, I find it easier to do it on separate tracks. Unhappily, it seems AD doesn't like that.
You are not right, you can easily do it, just add more midi tracks, or clone your existing midi track. Also keep in mind that it is easier to find sounds if you have properly set up drum map, because you can see sound names in PRV. And if you want to use all AD2 sounds like rim shots, various hi-hat sounds, perc sounds, it will be not so easy without drum map. But there is no problem to do it on many different midi tracks.
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Re: Separate each instrument on Addictive Drums onto it's own track (SONAR Platinum)
2015/09/15 18:36:35
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Cool. I don't understand what a drum map is yet, but tonight I will start learning. Thanks for that advice. I look forward to figuring it out.
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Re: Separate each instrument on Addictive Drums onto it's own track (SONAR Platinum)
2015/09/15 18:41:08
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☄ Helpfulby monstaar888 2015/09/15 21:34:48
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Re: Separate each instrument on Addictive Drums onto it's own track (SONAR Platinum)
2015/09/15 22:31:35
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Here is the problem I am encountering when using drum map:
I record the High Hats. Then when I want to record the BD, when I hit the record button, I cannot hear the HH. What am I missing?
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Re: Separate each instrument on Addictive Drums onto it's own track (SONAR Platinum)
2015/09/15 22:38:07
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Maybe the wrong recording mode. Right-click the record button and make sure it is set to Sound on Sound. Although I am not convinced with the way you describe how you build up the drums if multiple MIDI tracks may still work better.
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Re: Separate each instrument on Addictive Drums onto it's own track (SONAR Platinum)
2015/09/15 23:02:15
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The Step Sequencer is another option you may want to look at, since visually it is easier to monitor and build upon. If you click the SS icon in the upper right of the AD UI you may find it easier to loop several bars and build a kit pattern there.
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Re: Separate each instrument on Addictive Drums onto it's own track (SONAR Platinum)
2015/09/16 03:32:42
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monstaar888 Here is the problem I am encountering when using drum map:
I record the High Hats. Then when I want to record the BD, when I hit the record button, I cannot hear the HH. What am I missing?
Post #3 I asked "how are you recording these drums?" Until we know exactly what your workflow is, any advice given could be rendered totally useless and/or inappropriate. So..... how are you recording?
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Re: Separate each instrument on Addictive Drums onto it's own track (SONAR Platinum)
2015/09/17 03:34:37
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Post #3 I asked "how are you recording these drums?" Until we know exactly what your workflow is, any advice given could be rendered totally useless and/or inappropriate. So..... how are you recording? Now that I finally installed Addictive Drums, I am using that. I was using my DR-880 and doing all instruments on their own MIDI track and that was easy but the sounds on AD blow that thing away. So, I made the drum map, then recorded HH, then BD then snare using AD. BUT I made new MIDI tracks for each instrument instead of recording them on one MIDI track (see image). So I'm ignoring all those tracks that are set up via the map. Then I record audio (guitar, bass, vocals). The downside to my individual track setup is that I cannot mix the drums. No volume sliders affect the sounds in AD for some reason. Not in SONAR itself and not in the AD mixer. I just need to get in there an experiment but I have to balance that with getting this album finished. I am using "Sound on sound" as well, so I'm not sure what's causing the sound to not be heard when recording. I have noticed that SONAR does that regardless, so I don't think it's specific to AD. And I'm not sure if AD is causing this, but SONAR crashes (freezes) now that I'm using AD. Never did that before. I need to experiment to see if maybe if AD doesn't like all the MIDI tracks pointing to it.
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