Very Slow Start Up (Sonar Professional)

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2015/01/25 07:30:30 (permalink)

Very Slow Start Up (Sonar Professional)

Hello good people, I'm not sure if anyone else has this issue, but when I open Sonar Professional it takes roughly 6 minutes and 13 seconds to load. Does anyone else have this issue? In full disclosure, I have this same problem with Sonar X3, but I don't have this issue if I open the same project in X2. I've reached out to support, but I was told to download a patch in which I had already done before contacting them. If anyone has a solution, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! 

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    Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
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    Re: Very Slow Start Up (Sonar Professional) 2015/01/25 07:41:38 (permalink)
    Do you have mapped network drives or media devices with network discovery enabled? 
    One reason for something like this is that for the first time it takes time to discover these. It could also be a very slow init from your audio interface.
    To troubleshoot it unplug your computer from your network if you have one and also disable WIFI and see if the problem goes away. You can also try starting with your audio interface turned off.
     
    If the problem goes a way this will at least point you in the right direction.

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    Re: Very Slow Start Up (Sonar Professional) 2015/01/25 08:03:08 (permalink)
    Thanks for the reply, I know that my wifi network is off when I run Sonar, I'll try to unplug my audio device to see if that works. Thanks! 
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    Re: Very Slow Start Up (Sonar Professional) 2015/01/29 11:56:55 (permalink)
    Sooo, I've tried all of the above and Sonar is still clocking in @ about 6.5 minutes to load. Any other suggestions? Also, I have deactivated all of my 3rd party VST's with the exception of my waves mercury bundle and Izotope bundle.
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    Re: Very Slow Start Up (Sonar Professional) 2015/01/29 12:23:08 (permalink)
    Do you have an antivirus running? This slows down my project load times significantly. If you do you can either disable the AV or add all the Sonar stuff to your AV's whitelist so it isn't scanning all the files and crap while opening the projects.
     
    This has also minimized whitescreens at start up on my system.
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    Re: Very Slow Start Up (Sonar Professional) 2015/01/29 13:27:18 (permalink)
    Noel, my 64 bit plat takes 60 seconds from splash to main window. Always. For the first 45 seconds or so there is no disc activity as if Sonar is stuck waiting for something , then the expected flurry of disk reads as you would expect
    for the last 15 seconds as Sonar loads. After that, she hums along nicely. It does this even if my CS is loaded or not.
     
    The 32 bit version of plat jumps right up. So do the 64 bit versions of previous Sonars on the same machine, same OS (win 7 SP1)
     
    Upon reading this thread. I disconnected all my mapped drives and turned off net dsicovery.
    Nothing changed.
     ***** addendum! - then turning off my WiFi switch to disable my computer's internet reduced this delay to 20 seconds. *****
     
    32 bit still does not suffer from this and has always been a good trooper. 
     
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    post edited by bitman - 2015/01/29 13:34:51
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    Re: Very Slow Start Up (Sonar Professional) 2015/02/23 16:37:35 (permalink)
    No, I don't have any anti virus running while sonar is running.  The funny thing is as I've stated before, I can open X2  with absolutely no issues. X3 and professional takes forever to load though. I've even deleted some 3rd party VSTI's and that still has not helped. I'm confuzzled.  I've paid for something that I hate using and that's a very bad feeling. 
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    Re: Very Slow Start Up (Sonar Professional) 2015/02/23 16:53:46 (permalink)
    You don't have 'scan VST on startup' enabled (edit,preferences,Folder etc....) ?
     
    could be a folder path related thing, would say somehow the settings for X3 are not ideal....your computer
    is not finding or opening the wrong files / paths when opening Sonar.
     
    Hope you get it fixed soon, then you could create a Sonar X3 icon in the taskbar on your desktop (drag X3 shortcut to taskbar)....that opens Sonar more quickly always I found.
    good luck !
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    Re: Very Slow Start Up (Sonar Professional) 2015/02/23 17:30:39 (permalink)
    Wi-Fi adapters/drivers have PLAGUED Sonar uses for as far back as I remember, in all sorts of bizarre ways - usually with latency, but they have caused all manner of strangeness in Sonar.
     
    MANY folks either turn off or disable their Wi-Fi right before launching Sonar, then turn it back on or enable it again after finishing their Sonar session.
     
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    Re: Very Slow Start Up (Sonar Professional) 2015/02/23 17:47:31 (permalink)
    I've got a feeling that what's happening is that Sonar is checking to see if 64bit versions of your 32 bit plugins exist.
    I made the move to 64 bit from 32 bit and had the same problem.
    I did some housekeeping to separate my 32 bit plugins into two separate folders, "vstplugins-32" and "vstplugins-32 duped"
    "vstplugins-32 duped" contains plugs that exist in 32 and 64 bit and that folder does not get scanned by Sonar x64 but it does get scanned by Sonar x86.
    Doing this severely cut down my Sonar x64 start up time down to less than 20 seconds.


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    Re: Very Slow Start Up (Sonar Professional) 2015/02/23 17:57:57 (permalink)
    Oh yeah, I also archived all the plugins that I have VST3 version of.
    Then, I did a reset and rescan of my vst's.


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    Re: Very Slow Start Up (Sonar Professional) 2015/02/23 18:23:28 (permalink)
    robert_e_bone
    Wi-Fi adapters/drivers have PLAGUED Sonar uses for as far back as I remember, in all sorts of bizarre ways - usually with latency, but they have caused all manner of strangeness in Sonar.
     
    MANY folks either turn off or disable their Wi-Fi right before launching Sonar, then turn it back on or enable it again after finishing their Sonar session.
     
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    I'll try that when I get home and let you know if that worked or not. Thanks for your assistance ! You rock!
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    Re: Very Slow Start Up (Sonar Professional) 2015/02/23 18:25:06 (permalink)
    I know it's not the wifi, I only turn that on when I'm not recording. I actually remove the USB adapter before I start any audio functions unless I have to authorize/activate something.  
     
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    Re: Very Slow Start Up (Sonar Professional) 2015/02/23 20:54:33 (permalink)
    Sonar starts in about 15 seconds for me. Loading a project can take 30 seconds after the initial menu where you choose your project.

    StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen.
    I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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    Re: Very Slow Start Up (Sonar Professional) 2015/08/26 09:45:11 (permalink)
    Update: I've discontinued the use of Sonar Professional for obvious reasons. It wasn't worth the headache and I was getting nowhere with tech support. I've decided to stick with what works (X2) and not be driven to always having to have the lasted and "better" thing which may not be better at all. X2 works fine, It gets the job done and I love using it so I'll just leave it there. Thanks to all that have tried to assist! 
     
     
    post edited by mblak100 - 2015/08/26 10:19:41
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    Re: Very Slow Start Up (Sonar Professional) 2015/08/26 12:47:54 (permalink)
    For the sake of clarity, I'm assuming you mean Sonar 2015 when you say "Professional" (since you also refer to X2 and X3).  Your sig says "Sonar 8 Producer through X3", so with 2015, you have at least five versions of Sonar installed.  Is that correct?
     
    If it were me, I'd do a system image/restore point, then a complete uninstall of every version of Sonar ("Complete" meaning after the uninstalls, delete any leftover CW folders and registry entries, then reboot).  Now install only the versions you need to work, going from lower to higher (I'd recommend versions 8, X2, and 2015.  If you can do without X2, even better).
     
    I'm willing to bet that after doing the above, Sonar will run smoother/faster.
     
     

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    Re: Very Slow Start Up (Sonar Professional) 2015/08/26 21:12:39 (permalink)
    Thanks for the input and sorry for the mixup. Yes, I do mean 2015. I uninstalled 8 professional before I installed Sonar 2015. I still have X2 & X3 installed though as I use each for different things. I'm partial to X2, so that's why that's still there. I will try your suggestion and see what happens. Thanks again.
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    Re: Very Slow Start Up (Sonar Professional) 2015/08/26 21:57:38 (permalink)
    I would go one step further. Backup, wipe the partition and install Windows. Start from scratch. There is nothing like a clean install to clean out the cobwebs.
    post edited by Doktor Avalanche - 2015/08/26 22:06:23

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