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2015/01/24 12:38:14 (permalink)

Laptop for Sonar

I'm just getting back into Sonar X3, haven't really used it since Sonar 3 a number of years ago. I'd like to get a laptop rather than being chained to my desktop for editing. I've looked at a number of gaming laptops, assuming that's where I'd find better sound cards and performance, but wouldn't mind finding something with a) less weight and b) better battery life. I wondered if anyone had any recommendations for solid Sonar friendly laptops.
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Re: Laptop for Sonar 2015/01/24 15:21:00 (permalink)
I use an Asus NV56VZ with an i7 3630QM and 8 gb of ram, I use Sonar X3 mainly for rock and some electro. It stands up to the task pretty well; running Addictive Drums 2, several amp sims (TH2, Scuffham, Amplitube) and serveral vocal tracks, all with effects without breaking a sweat. I would go with a desktop next time, but as a portable solution, I can't knock it.
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Re: Laptop for Sonar 2015/01/24 18:22:05 (permalink)
Thanks. I've been looking at Asus - I like a lot of their peripherals. That and Alienware are on my short list.
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Re: Laptop for Sonar 2015/01/24 19:20:26 (permalink)
I've been using Sonar on a laptop for several years much for the same reason as described. I don't want to be locked into one place to work on it. The experience has been great for me. I get a lot more done. I'm able to jump into something I'm working on anywhere I feel like. Since I can get to it more often and easier I get more done.

Regardless of which laptop you get, I would recommend you investigate whether you can ultimately set it up with two internal hard drives. I swapped out my DVD drive (which I didn't need regularly, I now have an external DVD for that). Two internal hard drives helps a lot for audio production. To top it off, matter what hard drive(s) you start with, the ideal place to get to is two internal SSD drives. You'll fly once there.

Two internal 2TB SSDs laptop stuffed with Larry's deals and awesome tools. Studio One is the cat's meow as a DAW now that I've migrated off of Sonar. Using BandLab Cakewalk just to grab old files when migrating songs.
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Re: Laptop for Sonar 2015/01/24 19:48:43 (permalink)
Also, you need to budget for an external sound card, also known as an audio interface (sound blaster won't cut it).  The sound cards in laptops (and desktops) will frustrate you to no end trying to run a professional music app like Sonar X3.
 
Also, there will be a number of things that you need to do on your laptop to make it perform better with respect t real time audio, including turning off wifi, setting power management settings, etc.
 
 

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Re: Laptop for Sonar 2015/01/24 23:41:51 (permalink)
Forget Alienware. They are overpriced junk. Look more towards workhorse computers. If you have the money for an Alienware, put it towards an ADK Pro Audio laptop or something that is designed for audio work. The other option I would look at is a Lenovo Thinkpad.
 
As stated above, you will need an audio interface. There are plenty of small ones available that are portable.
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Re: Laptop for Sonar 2015/01/25 01:28:42 (permalink)
I can see I have some more homework to do. I'd never heard of ADK Pro Audio, but just checked out their site - looks doable. Oddly enough, I pretty much live on Lenovo's at work - never thought of them as a possibility.
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Re: Laptop for Sonar 2015/01/25 01:49:14 (permalink)
I forgot to say I use a Focusrite Scarlet 2i4 interface with my Asus, it allows me to run asio at 2ms and playback/recording buffers at 64 samples. I have not used the sound card in the laptop for audio production.
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Re: Laptop for Sonar 2015/01/25 08:40:32 (permalink)
Gaming computers tend to put a lot of muscle into the graphics, which is not really where the needs of Sonar are.  Sonar needs memory, CPU, and if available - multiple disk drives, more than a super powerful graphics capability.
 
I would look for an i5 or i7 processor, with 8 GB or more of memory, and at least space for a 2nd disk drive.  (if otherwise unavailable, look for an eSata port, where you could hook in another drive that way).  In addition, many audio interfaces that connect using USB don't handle being plugged into a USB 3 port, so you may need to make sure at least 1 USB 2 port is available.  
 
I repeat that a monster gaming graphics adapter is not needed for Sonar use.  I routinely run Sonar just fine using the on-board graphics - not even having a graphics expansion card installed on my desktop.
 
You will also likely run into DPC Latency issues with most laptops, due to the drivers for the WI-Fi adapters.  The fix is to turn off or disable the Wi-Fi adapter just prior to launching Sonar, and when finished with your Sonar session, simply turn the Wi-Fi adapter back on or enable it.
 
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Sonar: Platinum (x64), X3 (x64) 
Audio Interfaces: AudioBox 1818VSL, Steinberg UR-22
Computers: 1) i7-2600 k, 32 GB RAM, Windows 8.1 Pro x64 & 2) AMD A-10 7850 32 GB RAM Windows 10 Pro x64
Soft Synths: NI Komplete 8 Ultimate, Arturia V Collection, many others
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Re: Laptop for Sonar 2015/01/25 15:35:57 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby AndreyB 2015/01/26 12:45:46
While it's true that gaming machines put muscle into graphics, that is only one piece of the puzzle. Most high end gaming machines also come with high end processors and RAM. RAM timing can be extremely important in gaming and not all RAM is the same. You can have 32GB of RAM, but if it's timing is low, it's worthless. Especially when you have tons of high end samples loading into RAM, you need it to be quick. Gaming computers typically knock it out of the park with this one because they know to look at this where as most people I've known who have made their own music computers typically had no idea this spec existed and just shove a bunch of cheap RAM into the system.
 
That said, Alienware is Dell and Dell is crap therefore Alienware is expensive high-end crap. :P
Seriously though, a lot of the hardware inside Alienware is junk. You're essentially paying for a pretty case.
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Re: Laptop for Sonar 2015/01/25 18:37:00 (permalink)
The reason I was looking at Alienware & Asus gaming rigs was for the CPU and RAM, not the graphics. They also both claimed soundcards a little above the norm. That said, I hadn't considered an external sound card, which should make things a bit simpler.  I've been buying PCs since 1984 and have probably owned just about every major brand since. One of my current desktops is an Alienware box and it has given me less trouble than any other Dell (or HP for that matter) I've owned.
 
 
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Re: Laptop for Sonar 2015/01/25 19:53:21 (permalink)
Dell XPS17. Love it

SONAR Platinum  
Dell XPS17 /  External 23" touch screen & 22" HP displays/Windows 10 64bit i5 processor/  
8Gb ram/500GB (7200rpm SATA HD)/Roland VS-700 set/KRK rockit 6/KRK 10" sub and a bunch of cables
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Re: Laptop for Sonar 2015/01/26 01:42:41 (permalink)
@TerraSin - You are QUITE correct with the point about the gaming machines having desirable traits of generally higher-end processors and usually more memory - I was only trying to really indicate that the graphics part of the equation is not really the thing to focus on when choosing a computer for music production software, such as Sonar.
 
Thanks for adding that info with your post :)
 
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Sonar: Platinum (x64), X3 (x64) 
Audio Interfaces: AudioBox 1818VSL, Steinberg UR-22
Computers: 1) i7-2600 k, 32 GB RAM, Windows 8.1 Pro x64 & 2) AMD A-10 7850 32 GB RAM Windows 10 Pro x64
Soft Synths: NI Komplete 8 Ultimate, Arturia V Collection, many others
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Settings: 24-Bit, Sample Rate 48k, ASIO Buffer Size 128, Total Round Trip Latency 9.7 ms  
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Re: Laptop for Sonar 2015/01/26 12:37:58 (permalink)
tchafin
I can see I have some more homework to do. I'd never heard of ADK Pro Audio, but just checked out their site - looks doable. Oddly enough, I pretty much live on Lenovo's at work - never thought of them as a possibility.


I have a three year old ADK laptop I'm willing to sell. Turns out I have not done one lick of remote recording. PM me.
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Re: Laptop for Sonar 2015/01/28 17:45:26 (permalink)
I've had really good luck with my HP Envy.  They are really easy to work on/upgrade, and you can get them spec'd how you'd like.  I've got a 4th Gen i7 quad core with 16G or RAM.  The fans are a little noisy compared to other models, but the last BIOS update they had seemed to fix alot of these problems.
 
The one advantage about gaming computers, is that having a Deseret graphics card takes load off your CPU for running graphics.  So not necessarily a gaming PC, but if you can find a computer with an i5 or i7 and a descrete graphics card either AMD or NVidia, it will take a huge load off your machine.  You have to manually set your descrete graphics to open with Sonar, otherwise it will default to the built-in Intel graphics, as Sonar doesn't do 3D rendering.
 

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