Hard Drive Recommendations

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2015/01/09 13:19:13 (permalink)

Hard Drive Recommendations

Not entirely Sonar related but relevant.  I received a hard drive warning from Windows (7/64) last night.  It is backing up as I speak.  It is my boot drive, but only has executables - no data.  I am looking for drive recommendations (1TB - the machine is being retired this year so I don't want to go SSD), and advice regard restoring the system
 
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    lawajava
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    Re: Hard Drive Recommendations 2015/01/09 13:36:08 (permalink)
    Not clear of your whole setup there, but here's one suggestion (which I have done).

    Get an external hard disk drive enclosure. Move your system drive into that. Put your new blank drive in your PC. I assume you have a DVD drive accessible.

    Have a drive clone program. The one I use is Acronis. This is a hard disk drive backup utility (for one or more drives accessible to your machine, depending on what you ask it to backup or restore). Acronis has a feature of cloning a drive included in its feature set, which is why I mention it and why I've used it.

    Clone your system drive from the external enclosure to your new blank drive. You boot from the DVD drive with your clone program on it, and the software helps you select what you need to do.

    Should be painless.

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    Re: Hard Drive Recommendations 2015/01/09 13:38:54 (permalink)
    If there's an error on your drive and you clone the drive, you might just close the error along with it.  If you can, and it's actually causing you problems, re-install windows and build you system again.  I have my system stuff on an SSD, so it's actually really fast to re-install.  I have to put back Office, Adobe, Sonar, etc, and other stuff too, which takes some time to do, but in the end things just work better.

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    Re: Hard Drive Recommendations 2015/01/09 13:50:56 (permalink)
    I am of the clean install mindset as well since it is also a clean slate for the registry. I keep downloaded files on another drive to speed this up. In your situation I would install Win on the new HDD first (only drive installed), then add the old drive as a slave drive for data file recovery (if needed). I carry the same concern of a disk error being imaged to another drive.

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    Re: Hard Drive Recommendations 2015/01/09 16:30:47 (permalink)
    Thanks for the advice.  If I go the clean route, where are we on Win 7 vs Win 8 (I have an MSDN licence so can use whatever I want)
     
    Cheers
     
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    Re: Hard Drive Recommendations 2015/01/09 17:33:51 (permalink)
    The only thing that comes to mind is driver support. Some hardware stopped updating drivers at Win7, which should be checked before heading down the Win8 path. Otherwise I think it is more splitting hairs on which version to use.

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    Re: Hard Drive Recommendations 2015/01/09 18:00:29 (permalink)
    Good Point Mettlus - I'll wait for the new machine - I have bugging me with Win 7 and the machine is 4-5 years old.  
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    Re: Hard Drive Recommendations 2015/01/09 20:08:38 (permalink)
    SteveGriffiths
    Thanks for the advice.  If I go the clean route, where are we on Win 7 vs Win 8 (I have an MSDN licence so can use whatever I want)
     
    Cheers
     
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    Re: Hard Drive Recommendations 2015/01/09 21:37:02 (permalink)
    1 TB drives are certainly more bang for the buck at about half the price of a 128 Gig SSD. 
    I think on older machines that the way to go. 
    But SSD certainly perk up a computer.
    I vote for clean install. It's just a great way to blow out the cobwebs.
    I also would vote for W 7 if you have the choice. Widows 8  I think is still having issues with updates causing some of us grief. I never had blue screens on W7 but I'm still trying to sort out my W8.1 system. I only went with W8 because it was cheaper and I figured might as well be cutting edge. For my office computer it's fine, But I'm regretting it for the DAW right now.  

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    Re: Hard Drive Recommendations 2015/01/10 01:12:00 (permalink)
    I would update all programs
      make lots of notes about hardware
       find and download drivers for w7
        find and save drivers for w8 to external source
     
    Use the sonar plugin manager to export all presets saved using the sonar preset format.
     
    Image the disk.
     
    Get a new disk, install, install window 8.1.1, and all updates.
     Install the hardware drivers previously downloaded.
     
    Once done, image again.
     
    Windows 8.1.1 can be configured to mostly never show the start walls of unhappiness.
     
    Starting anew: I recommend windows 8+ for next 3+ years
     
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    Last time I did this took more than a month to get all software installed and usable. Limited time, dual boot, clean install on new disk" :: for me: install adobe, java,... configure windows to use desktop programs, install office and all updates and configure (I use spreadsheets for most all lyrics and tracking of projects and notes), install a many sonar versions and updates, and import sonar presets, install 3rd party programs, instruments and tools and conversion utilities, and so on.
     
    Image again.
     
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    When ready, use the manufacture's disk utility to write zeros to the original disk.  I have "saved," and "rehabilitated," disks indicating failure by doing this.
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    Re: Hard Drive Recommendations 2015/01/10 17:19:36 (permalink)
    For HDD I use exclusively Western Digital Black Drives. They are very very good drives with a very good warranty (5 years). As far as speed goes, they are high performance 7200. Even when I do go SSD, I'll be using black drives as my backup and sample storage.
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    Re: Hard Drive Recommendations 2015/01/19 15:01:38 (permalink)
    TerraSin
    For HDD I use exclusively Western Digital Black Drives. They are very very good drives with a very good warranty (5 years). As far as speed goes, they are high performance 7200. Even when I do go SSD, I'll be using black drives as my backup and sample storage.


    I totally agree with you.
     
    I've been using WD Blacks for several years now and so far, touching anything remotely resembling wood, I've not had a single problem with them.
     
    Maxtor on the other hand, I had 3 different ones die on me over a period of about 18 months which is WAY outside the curve of "expected failure rate"
     
     
    Stupid question - and one I should really know the answer to by now - but if you reformat your system drive, your BIOS settings remain untouched yes? This is all held on the battery backed CMOS motherboard chips isn't it?
     
    I'm planning well ahead here and might, maybe next year, do a complete system rebuild.

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    Re: Hard Drive Recommendations 2015/01/19 15:57:09 (permalink)
    WD and Samsung seem solid enough from where I'm sitting and neither of mine are very noisy either. Just avoid any of the "green" drives that alter their speed to save power. Go for a steady 7,200rpm or better.
     
    For performance SSDs are the way to go, the only thing against them is their cost/GB ratio, though prices do seem to be starting to drop now.

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    Re: Hard Drive Recommendations 2015/01/20 08:34:30 (permalink)
    +1 on the WD black drives.

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    Re: Hard Drive Recommendations 2015/01/20 16:45:16 (permalink)
    Bristol_JoneseyStupid question - and one I should really know the answer to by now - but if you reformat your system drive, your BIOS settings remain untouched yes? This is all held on the battery backed CMOS motherboard chips isn't it?

    Correct, BIOS is part of the motherboard and not something saved on a HDD so formatting your system drive will not affect the BIOS settings.
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    Re: Hard Drive Recommendations 2015/01/23 14:37:49 (permalink)
    Heads up NewEgg has WD Black 2TB 7200 drives for $120 today only.

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    Re: Hard Drive Recommendations 2015/01/23 14:49:47 (permalink)
    Interesting that 3TB drives have had higher failure rates than 4TB. Seagate especially.
     
    https://www.backblaze.com/blog/how-long-do-disk-drives-last/
     
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    Re: Hard Drive Recommendations 2015/01/24 12:33:11 (permalink)
    It's because of the way they are designed. More platters = more points of possible failure. That said, I have a 4TB drive that (knock on wood) works fine for my media storage.
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    Re: Hard Drive Recommendations 2015/01/26 12:41:12 (permalink)
    What SSD brand are the DAW makers using?
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    Re: Hard Drive Recommendations 2015/01/26 12:49:42 (permalink)
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    What SSD brand are the DAW makers using?


    If I were a gambling man, I'd bet they're be using Samsung's......they've been proven to be very reliable......(now where's that piggy bank at??) 

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    Re: Hard Drive Recommendations 2015/01/26 15:11:49 (permalink)
    Cheers, Mesh.
    Sadly my system isn't starting. Well it does but it takes many reboots. Busy saving individually and in bulk. Lots of beeps and clicks. Looks like new HD and new OS. Time to dust off the 'hole in the head ' quote.
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    Re: Hard Drive Recommendations 2015/01/26 20:09:57 (permalink)
    I'm thinking I might pick up a Samsung SSD and another black drive soon. Kinda waiting on sales again
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    Re: Hard Drive Recommendations 2015/01/27 10:30:57 (permalink)
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    Cheers, Mesh.
    Sadly my system isn't starting. Well it does but it takes many reboots. Busy saving individually and in bulk. Lots of beeps and clicks. Looks like new HD and new OS. Time to dust off the 'hole in the head ' quote.


    The good thing is you're still able to recover/save those files. If you can afford it, get a big SSD (250 GB or even 500 GB) as they'll fill up very quickly. You'll have a very "snappy" and fast loading OS/software/boot up drive.    

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    Re: Hard Drive Recommendations 2015/01/27 10:35:18 (permalink)
    It is easiest to attach the disk to another computer to not boot from it.
    Copy what you can.
    Run scandisk    it may just be a corrupt file system
    get the manufacturers tool for testing
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    Re: Hard Drive Recommendations 2015/01/27 10:56:08 (permalink)
    Cheers chaps!

    I think I'll do a test. Although I am officially the worlds unluckiest person when it comes to hardware and software, I would like to know why all three HDs have died quicker than I think they should. Pain in the neck to say the least!

    Yep Mesh, looking at 250GB or 500GB. If it was based on budget it would have to be 3½GB!
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    Re: Hard Drive Recommendations 2015/01/31 11:31:06 (permalink)

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    Re: Hard Drive Recommendations 2015/02/01 15:39:58 (permalink)
    Western Digital. I'll probably never use Seagate again.
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    Re: Hard Drive Recommendations 2015/02/01 16:37:59 (permalink)
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    Western Digital. I'll probably never use Seagate again.


    Thanks, I've heard others dissing Seagate also...that said I have 3 of which 2 are more than 8 years old but maybe I've just been lucky : )

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    Re: Hard Drive Recommendations 2015/02/04 22:19:09 (permalink)
    WD drives are the way to go but why so big?  An OS boot drive should not be your recording or media storage drives. It should just hold the OS & programs.
     
    I use a 250GB drive with a 40GB boot partition (I'm still on XP) for my DAW.  It's got 25GB on it and 15GB free.  With Win 7 or 8 I'd go with an 100 GB boot partition.  The rest of the drive is just for data files & progam install files.  My recording drive is  a 10,000 RPM 36GB SCSI.  I also have a 1TB media storage drive and 4 TB network server drive.  Not to mention a 2TB USB3 backup drive and a couple of USB3 500GB portable drives.
     
    What ever you do do not use Seagate drives!  Not worth the risk.

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    Re: Hard Drive Recommendations 2015/02/04 22:47:44 (permalink)
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    WD drives are the way to go but why so big?  An OS boot drive should not be your recording or media storage drives. It should just hold the OS & programs.
     
    I use a 250GB drive with a 40GB boot partition (I'm still on XP) for my DAW.  It's got 25GB on it and 15GB free.  With Win 7 or 8 I'd go with an 100 GB boot partition.  The rest of the drive is just for data files & progam install files.  My recording drive is  a 10,000 RPM 36GB SCSI.  I also have a 1TB media storage drive and 4 TB network server drive.  Not to mention a 2TB USB3 backup drive and a couple of USB3 500GB portable drives.
     
    What ever you do do not use Seagate drives!  Not worth the risk.


    I guess you didn't notice my sig... I use a 180GB Corsair Force series 3 SSD for my OS/programs along with several (older, slower) drives.
    This will be for libraries that have been taxing some of those older drives.
    Thanks,
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