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2016/02/22 17:53:25 (permalink)

External Insert Confusion??

I read a thread recently ( I searched but couldnt find it) that described the external insert.
 
I have a bass guitar recording which was DI'd straight into Sonar Platinum (Latest Version).
 
I figured I could 're-amp' the recording by sending it out to an external bass guitar ampifier and them mic'ing it up and re-recording it.
Hopefully I'm right that you can do that, but, which track do i place the External Insert into?
 
I have.....
Track 4: The original DI'd bass recording
Track 5: the destination for the new mic'd recording
 
I hear the bass booming out of the bass amp and i have it routed to the new track 5, but the Delay shows '*0ms, 0 samples'
I also see levels on the send port and the return port of the external insert.
 
I must be doing something wrong, as i know theres no way there isnt any latency of any kind, so i must have some routing wrong somewhere.
 
Would sure appreciate some advice if anyone could spare the time.
 
Regards
 
Lee
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Re: External Insert Confusion?? 2016/02/22 18:04:06 (permalink)
If you're micing it, I would input it into a track input thru your audio interface.

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Re: External Insert Confusion?? 2016/02/22 19:50:05 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby leemac 2016/02/23 07:15:26
What you want to do is put the External Insert on the DI track 4 just like you would any FX, and then bounce track 4 to track 5 with Fast Bounce disabled, and Live Input enabled. Or put a send on track 4 to a Patch Point, and record form the patch point o Track 5.
 
The only tricky part is that when you click the Delay field in the EI, SONAR is going to send a ping/click to the amp that will have to be picked up by the mic at sufficient level that SONAR can detect the return to measure the latency. If you can get the delay measurement to work, SONAR will do the compensation for you. I've never tried to get EI to ping through a mic'd amp, but it should be possible.
 
Otherwise, just record the mic directly to track 5 without using External Insert as the previous post suggested, and temporarily add a Manual Offset to your record latency compensation to account for the distance between the amp's driver and the mic (1 sample/.3" at 44.1kHz) - assuming you already have your normal delay compensation dialed in (if not, get this free app, and do that first: https://centrance.com/downloads/ltu/).
 
 
 
 

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Re: External Insert Confusion?? 2016/02/23 07:01:38 (permalink)
Thank you so much for taking the time and explaining it. Ill try that out as soon as i get home.
Thanks again
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Re: External Insert Confusion?? 2016/02/23 07:13:08 (permalink)
The online help (same as the Reference guide) has quite a lot of useful info. Check it out here;

http://www.cakewalk.com/D...mp;help=Mixing.33.html

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