migrating mp3 encoder from X1 to Pro?

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2015/01/28 11:57:58 (permalink)

migrating mp3 encoder from X1 to Pro?

I just upgraded if you could call it that from X1 Producer to Professional but the Lame mp3 encoder didn't get picked up on the install. It works fine in X1 on the same computer but I can't find how to get it to work on Professional. I've checked the external coder configuration utility under both versions & they appear identical. The only difference is on X1 I can export mp3 with Lame & with Professional it tells me i need to unlock the encoder. Any ideas?

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    Re: migrating mp3 encoder from X1 to Pro? 2015/01/28 12:00:54 (permalink)
    Download the authorization file from your account and reimport it into the registry.
     

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    Re: migrating mp3 encoder from X1 to Pro? 2015/01/28 12:35:36 (permalink)
    TomHelvey
    Download the authorization file from your account and reimport it into the registry.
     


    I have no authorization file that I know of & if there was I wouldn't know how to reimport into the registry .
    When I bought X1 I'm pretty sure that Lame was integrated into the installation files that I downloaded.
    The reason I say that is because I installed X1 on my new computer about two weeks ago & Lame was installed with the program. I had no other versions of Cakewalk installed that it could have migrated from.
     
     
     
     

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    Re: migrating mp3 encoder from X1 to Pro? 2015/01/28 13:01:42 (permalink)
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    TomHelvey
    Download the authorization file from your account and reimport it into the registry.
     


    I have no authorization file that I know of & if there was I wouldn't know how to reimport into the registry .
    When I bought X1 I'm pretty sure that Lame was integrated into the installation files that I downloaded.
    The reason I say that is because I installed X1 on my new computer about two weeks ago & Lame was installed with the program. I had no other versions of Cakewalk installed that it could have migrated from

     Uit was free years ago. You also need the right CW mp3 encoder depending on the version of Sonar you have. You can buy it or just create your own. There are many threads explaining in detail how to accomplish this for free using lame
     
    Me, I'm lazy, I bought it for Sonar 3 and it works for Plat also. So, your call.

     
     
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    Re: migrating mp3 encoder from X1 to Pro? 2015/01/28 13:30:40 (permalink)
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    The reason I say that is because I installed X1 on my new computer about two weeks ago & Lame was installed with the program.

    A 30 day trial was installed with X1. There is no free license for the embedded mp3 encoder. Either purchase the license from the Cakewalk store or use an external encoder. Cakewalk provides a tool in SONAR to call external encoders in the Utilities menu. Should you elect to purchase the encoder, it is a one-time purchase good for every version of SONAR.
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    Re: migrating mp3 encoder from X1 to Pro? 2015/01/28 15:55:10 (permalink)
    I don't remember having to purchase Lame but I've had the encoder for more than a year & it still works in X1.
    I never understood this purchase an mp3 encoder bs. Come on Cakewalk charge me for it up front & put it on the installation files but don't make me jump through hoops when i install another version. I've been on the site for 20 minutes & I can't even find how to pay the money to unlock it if i wanted to. It ain't the $10 or $20 , it's the principal that you pay for a software package & this is what you get. They could have at least put a link that takes you right to the purchase place instead of a link to cakewalk.com. If you're going to be petty about charging me for something that should be included, at least don't make it hard to pay for it too. I've been with Cakewalk for a lot of years so I'll get through it & put up with it but i wouldn't if i was a new customer.  

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    Re: migrating mp3 encoder from X1 to Pro? 2015/01/28 16:01:50 (permalink)
    It was not clear if this thread involved the embedded encoder or not. If you set up an external encoder before, the process is the same in Platinum; use the External Encoder Configuration Utility in the Tools menu.
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    Re: migrating mp3 encoder from X1 to Pro? 2015/01/28 16:56:11 (permalink)
    Yet another example of why this should simply be included instead of making people jump through hoops :)
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    Re: migrating mp3 encoder from X1 to Pro? 2015/01/28 18:33:38 (permalink)
    scook
    It was not clear if this thread involved the embedded encoder or not. If you set up an external encoder before, the process is the same in Platinum; use the External Encoder Configuration Utility in the Tools menu.


    It must be embedded because I deleted all the encoders in the Encoder Config in X1 & I can still export to mp3. 
    Maybe it's because I upgraded from Pro Audio Deluxe to X1 Producer. Either way I've tried all the fixes I could read on this site & nothing has worked. I even downloaded another version of Lame & tried to install it but that didn't work either. It only gives me the "must unlock" no matter what I do. No reason for Cakewalk to be so petty & cause this much trouble. They have a great program at a great price & yet they found a way to screw it up with something so simple. I shouldn't have to be a computer geek to export an mp3 & I shouldn't have to pay an extra dime for something that is so commonly used. It's like flying Spirit airlines & getting charged for a carry on but you don't know until you get to the airport.          

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    Re: migrating mp3 encoder from X1 to Pro? 2015/01/28 19:24:47 (permalink)
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    scook
    It was not clear if this thread involved the embedded encoder or not. If you set up an external encoder before, the process is the same in Platinum; use the External Encoder Configuration Utility in the Tools menu.


    It must be embedded because I deleted all the encoders in the Encoder Config in X1 & I can still export to mp3. 
    Maybe it's because I upgraded from Pro Audio Deluxe to X1 Producer. Either way I've tried all the fixes I could read on this site & nothing has worked. I even downloaded another version of Lame & tried to install it but that didn't work either. It only gives me the "must unlock" no matter what I do. No reason for Cakewalk to be so petty & cause this much trouble. They have a great program at a great price & yet they found a way to screw it up with something so simple. I shouldn't have to be a computer geek to export an mp3 & I shouldn't have to pay an extra dime for something that is so commonly used. It's like flying Spirit airlines & getting charged for a carry on but you don't know until you get to the airport.          


    If you upgraded to the 64 bit version of sonar you'll need to request a 64 bit version of the encoder from cake customer servjce (your pro audio purchase is valid). Just email them and they'll send you the 64 bit version.

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    Re: migrating mp3 encoder from X1 to Pro? 2015/01/28 19:51:38 (permalink)
    Thanks for the info,
    I emailed tech support yesterday with my serial # so maybe they'll help out. Whether I get it for free at this point or have to pay for it is really not the issue. The fact that it is locked for anyone is absolutely ridiculous. I feel like I bought a car with three wheels on it & the dealer made me buy the fourth wheel so i can drive it off the lot. I know I'm exaggerating but I just don't understand how a reputable company can do something like this.

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    Re: migrating mp3 encoder from X1 to Pro? 2015/01/28 20:10:11 (permalink)
    garyed
    Thanks for the info,
    I emailed tech support yesterday with my serial # so maybe they'll help out. Whether I get it for free at this point or have to pay for it is really not the issue. The fact that it is locked for anyone is absolutely ridiculous. I feel like I bought a car with three wheels on it & the dealer made me buy the fourth wheel so i can drive it off the lot. I know I'm exaggerating but I just don't understand how a reputable company can do something like this.


    As Scook pointed out, there are options to install an external encoder (including Lame) using the External Configuration Utility at no cost to you. As I understand it, when Cake sells the encoder, the purchase cost or some part of it is a license fee which they are avoiding you having to pay for over and over again on each new software release. Fraunhofer and Thompson own patents on the MP3 compression process, and commercial use of their technology requires a license. Cake could simply charge you for each release, but way back in the Pro Audio days, thought that allowing users who have already purchased the encoder to simply migrate it to the new release would make more sense than charging over and over for the same thing.
    So options like WMA which don't have an associated license issue are built in with no associated cost (or can be added with the external encoder utility.
    Assuming all of this is still valid, I think it's a pretty fair arrangement and avoids an unnecessary cost component on each revision of the upgrade process, and I guess similarly avoids some bureaucracy for Cake on the number of licenses.

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    Re: migrating mp3 encoder from X1 to Pro? 2015/01/28 20:49:20 (permalink)
    I don't really understand how this would work legally. When you buy an upgrade, you are basically paying for "the new features", not what you already paid for. I'm not sure what the case would be for having to charge for the mp3 converter again. Even if that absolutely has to be the case, looking around at the ridiculous amount of posts on how to get something as simple as mp3 export working, I think it's time Cakewalk integrates it as core functionality and treats it as such.

    In this thread alone there have been pages of text describing how to use an external encoder, or what might be wrong with the purchased version and the multiple approaches on how to solve it. I have never seen a single post on how to export a WAV. Seriously, it should be that simple.
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    Re: migrating mp3 encoder from X1 to Pro? 2015/01/28 22:03:21 (permalink)
    I finally got Lame working on Professional but it doesn't work as good as it does in X1 Producer since you can only set up one bit rate at a time for each external encoder. I'm still disappointed with the whole process of exporting an mp3 file. I'd be curious to know if any other DAW software makes you go through the same process.   

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    Re: migrating mp3 encoder from X1 to Pro? 2015/01/29 04:55:12 (permalink)
    The licence that Cakewalk has to pay is per unit sold. Whether that is an upgrade unit or a new install makes no difference.

    The Lame encoder is free to use for a private individual for non commercial work. For a company, they have to pay for including it in with their own software.

    Lame is distributed under the GNU open source licence.
    By giving you access to the free lame encoder and providing instructions on how you install it is as per the GNU licence Cakewalk don't need to pay the licence, you save money. If it comes with Sonar as per the unlocked version it attracts a licence fee.

    Other daws I think licence the technology directly from Fraunhoffer thus the licence is part of th program every time you upgrade or buy that software.

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    Re: migrating mp3 encoder from X1 to Pro? 2015/01/29 09:37:05 (permalink)
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    The licence that Cakewalk has to pay is per unit sold. Whether that is an upgrade unit or a new install makes no difference.

    I believe the "unit" is the mp3 encoder itself, not "sonar", which comes with no mp3 capability at all out of the box. If it is as you describe I'm frankly at a loss to understand why it's set ip like it is. In any case, I've never been concerned enough about it to get as worked up over the issue as some seem to.
     

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    Re: migrating mp3 encoder from X1 to Pro? 2015/01/29 16:37:10 (permalink)
    On a positive note Cakewalk did send me the activation file so i am appreciative in the way they responded so promptly & positively. I have to give credit where credit is due but that doesn't change my opinion on the issue. It does however reinforce my belief that they are an excellent company to deal with.

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