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2015/01/30 03:01:46 (permalink)

Issues importing audio files sequentially

Hi all,
 
This is my first post to this forum so I hope I'm not asking a question that has been answered elsewhere.
 
I have just upgraded to Platinum from X2 Producer. One of the things I like most about Sonar has been how powerful and effective it is for editing. I am working on a project that I did not do the tracking on but am editing, mixing and mastering the project. It is acoustic, Classical brass ensemble music, so the workflow is more like splicing tape rather than comping takes. The tracking was done in Pro Tools, but the engineer sent me the audio files in .WAV format, so getting the files into Platinum is no problem at all. The problem is that the engineer who tracked these sessions stopped transport between each take. There are hundreds of takes in total spread over 9 mics, so I have to deal with importing thousands of .WAV clips into Platinum.
 
I have the option selected to "import broadcast files at time stamp" to keep everything in sync between the mic channels, but my problem is that Platinum doesn't want to allow me to import a range of clips, sequentially, onto the same track. In X2 I would right click on the track, select Import Audio, highlight a region of clips to import from the same mic, click Open and Sonar populated the track with each clip, in sequence. Then I could go to the next track for the next mic and continue this to import all of the audio for each mic. In Platinum, I right click on the track and do all of what I just described, but Sonar imports each file in a new track, so I suddenly have 158 tracks, because this piece had 158 takes, each with a tiny clip. AHHH!!!  
 
I don't know if there is a setting that has changed from X2 to Platinum that no longer allows this, but it seems unlikely. It seems more likely that I just haven't found which option to select or deselect. I don't remember setting X2 up to do this kind of sequential importing within a track though, it just worked.
 
Any thoughts or suggestions??
 
Thanks in advance for your thoughts,
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Re: Issues importing audio files sequentially 2015/01/30 03:21:09 (permalink)
If you still have X3 on your system I would import into it. All you need do then is save the project and open it in Platinum if you want. 
 
The other thing is be sure you have Always Import Broadcast Waves At Their Timestamp in Preferences under audio data checked.
 
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Re: Issues importing audio files sequentially 2015/01/30 04:13:51 (permalink)
Alternatively, if you want to stay within Platinum, after you've done your first import of 158 takes, select all the tracks and do a Bounce to Track, selecting tracks as your source.
This will create one long clip and from there you can delete the originals.

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Re: Issues importing audio files sequentially 2015/01/30 04:14:43 (permalink)
There is no way to import files into the same track one after the other.

The only way it works is to place each file into a seperate track taking notice of any time stamps. If each imported track is at a different time stamp, while you will have as many tracks as you have files you will be able to grab sequential files across all those tracks by drag select those clips and bounce to a single track.

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Re: Issues importing audio files sequentially 2015/01/30 08:33:00 (permalink)
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In X2 I would right click on the track, select Import Audio, highlight a region of clips to import from the same mic, click Open and Sonar populated the track with each clip, in sequence. 



You must have a custom version of SONAR since no version ever did this :)

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Re: Issues importing audio files sequentially 2015/01/30 08:47:43 (permalink)
It would be a good addition Noel,  you should create a thread in Features & Suggestions.. 

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Re: Issues importing audio files sequentially 2015/01/30 09:32:16 (permalink)
+1 Karyn! I also agree with Noel (although i don't find his post helpful).

I have past frustratration with this very thing. e.g. ripping a split-track accompaniment CD for choir. All songs are split into rehearsal sections so one song may be spanned across muliple CD tracks (e.g. 1-5). After several attempts in Sonar and much time aligning multiple clips, I opened Reaper and was surprised that it automatically aligned them on one track without any presetting of preferences.

Seems very logical to me! My bad for not filing a feature request - DOH!

EDIT: btw, why the option for Always Import at Time Stamp without the option to import into one or separate tracks? (apologies if that option is there, I'm on vaca atm!-)
post edited by fwrend - 2015/01/30 09:38:27
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Re: Issues importing audio files sequentially 2015/01/30 09:44:25 (permalink)
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In X2 I would right click on the track, select Import Audio, highlight a region of clips to import from the same mic, click Open and Sonar populated the track with each clip, in sequence. 



You must have a custom version of SONAR since no version ever did this :)




Well Noel, i must have the same custom version! I just tried this in X2 with BWF files, and they all ended up in the same track, arranged sequentially, if imported as he describes.

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Re: Issues importing audio files sequentially 2015/01/30 09:58:12 (permalink)
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In X2 I would right click on the track, select Import Audio, highlight a region of clips to import from the same mic, click Open and Sonar populated the track with each clip, in sequence. 



You must have a custom version of SONAR since no version ever did this :)




Well Noel, i must have the same custom version! I just tried this in X2 with BWF files, and they all ended up in the same track, arranged sequentially, if imported as he describes.


Yeah,  you tell him Craig.. 
 
It most likely means there was a bug in X2 that stopped it creating a new track for each imported file when it was actually supposed to..
 
Have you tried it in X3?

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Re: Issues importing audio files sequentially 2015/01/30 09:59:49 (permalink)
This should be user selectable when importing more than one file

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Re: Issues importing audio files sequentially 2015/01/30 10:13:45 (permalink)
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Yeah,  you tell him Craig.. 
 
It most likely means there was a bug in X2 that stopped it creating a new track for each imported file when it was actually supposed to..
 
Have you tried it in X3?



I can't believe I was able to correct Noel! Unfortunately, though, that may be a sign of the end times.
 
No, haven't tried it in X3. I have X2 installed on the laptop in my kitchen, where I am having a cup of coffee prior to heading in to Gibson. I can try it on X3 and Platinum there.

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Re: Issues importing audio files sequentially 2015/01/30 10:29:58 (permalink)
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I can't believe I was able to correct Noel!


There's not many brave enough to try...
 
All it means though is that it was not intended to work that way.

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Re: Issues importing audio files sequentially 2015/01/30 10:31:12 (permalink)
Once in awhile when I have imported a bunch of wav files they will all be on the same track. This was not expected and though it was an inconvenience it was very simple to drag them to new tracks. The OP has a much bigger problem. I think it had something to do with layers. But don't quote me on that. 
 
This is where OMF comes in very handy.  Maybe its due to Broadcast wave files and how they were handled in older versions.

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Re: Issues importing audio files sequentially 2015/01/30 10:58:50 (permalink)
Does it have anything to do with layers as they existed back then.
If a track has layers on then each clip is imported to a different layer but in the closed layers view appears sequential.

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Re: Issues importing audio files sequentially 2015/01/30 11:23:15 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby JasonLAllison 2015/01/30 15:23:48
The only thing I can think of is one of the versions had a bug where importing wave files did not place them on sep tracks. I know this happened in one of the X3 updates but we fixed it in a point release. 
 
Also this would only make sense when the wave files contained timestamps. In X3 and Platinum it will import the files on new tracks at their timestamps. Feel free to FR it however. We could have a import checkbox to import into a single track where it places the files back to back as requested.

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Re: Issues importing audio files sequentially 2015/01/30 14:43:39 (permalink)
The only problem then is how to deal with overlaps.
 
I guess you could implement the usual options, overwrite (earlier by later) or Blend.
Nudging subsequent clips would not make sense on any level.

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Re: Issues importing audio files sequentially 2015/01/30 14:47:28 (permalink)
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 We could have a import checkbox to import into a single track where it places the files back to back as requested.




Noel, that option would be a blessing!
Thank you, everyone, for your thoughts. I'll play around with bouncing all files to a track.
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Re: Issues importing audio files sequentially 2015/01/30 15:22:17 (permalink)
I tried with X3 and Platinum, and it worked as Noel described. So it does seem like there was a bug in X2, unless you like that behavior, in which case it's a feature. 
 
However as pointed out you can simply create a project, import the files, select All, and bounce to create a single track with all the files in the right order.

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Re: Issues importing audio files sequentially 2015/01/30 21:23:58 (permalink)
It would be good to open a track with lanes showing in coming mode. As you import BWFs each would go in its own lane but when you collapse the lanes you have one uniform track without needing to bounce straight away.

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Re: Issues importing audio files sequentially 2015/01/31 14:15:00 (permalink)
JA:
Nice project that you're working on.  The only thing I can think of (NO Flames Please!) is to do the import in Reaper - Heal the clips, bounce them out of Reaper and import into Sonar for Editing.  I only suggest this technique since Noel's post seemed pretty clear that this is not a Sonar option.
 
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Re: Issues importing audio files sequentially 2015/01/31 14:18:57 (permalink)
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We could have a import checkbox to import into a single track where it places the files back to back as requested.



FR Submission on the way.  Thx Noel
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Re: Issues importing audio files sequentially 2015/01/31 15:26:37 (permalink)
is it possible to get the engineer to resend to you as an OMF? OMF is far from perfect but it does help tremendously with these types of projects.
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