Helpful ReplyAddictive Drums (1 and 2) - stereo image is wrong way round?

Author
jerrydf
Max Output Level: -85 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 280
  • Joined: 2007/03/24 19:27:45
  • Location: Warwickshire, UK
  • Status: offline
2015/01/30 08:31:03 (permalink)

Addictive Drums (1 and 2) - stereo image is wrong way round?

Addictive drums stereo layout is back to front. As far as I know this happens for all kits. The high hat is slightly left of centre, and the main floor tom is on the right.  This is Ok for a drummer's perspective, or for a left-handed drummer, but not looking straight at a right handed kit from the audience.
 
Of course it's easy to change in the AD editing. It was like this in AD1, too. Anyone else notice this?
 
Jerry
 
 
#1
Beagle
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 50621
  • Joined: 2006/03/29 11:03:12
  • Location: Fort Worth, TX
  • Status: offline
Re: Addictive Drums (1 and 2) - stereo image is wrong way round? 2015/01/30 08:36:20 (permalink)
Most drum kits are from the drummers' perspective regardless of who the manufacturer is and most of them have a way to swap it.
 
the reason they do that is because most music has the drums recorded from the drummer's perspective.  otherwise how would little Johnny be able to play air drums in the correct hands?

http://soundcloud.com/beaglesound/sets/featured-songs-1
i7, 16G DDR3, Win10x64, MOTU Ultralite Hybrid MK3
Yamaha MOXF6, Hammond XK3c, other stuff.
#2
Splat
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 8672
  • Joined: 2010/12/29 15:28:29
  • Location: Mars.
  • Status: offline
Re: Addictive Drums (1 and 2) - stereo image is wrong way round? 2015/01/30 08:37:48 (permalink)
XLN only employ left handed drummers...

Sell by date at 9000 posts. Do not feed.
@48/24 & 128 buffers latency is 367 with offset of 38.

Sonar Platinum(64 bit),Win 8.1(64 bit),Saffire Pro 40(Firewire),Mix Control = 3.4,Firewire=VIA,Dell Studio XPS 8100(Intel Core i7 CPU 2.93 Ghz/16 Gb),4 x Seagate ST31500341AS (mirrored),GeForce GTX 460,Yamaha DGX-505 keyboard,Roland A-300PRO,Roland SPD-30 V2,FD-8,Triggera Krigg,Shure SM7B,Yamaha HS5.Maschine Studio+Komplete 9 Ultimate+Kontrol Z1.Addictive Keys,Izotope Nectar elements,Overloud Bundle,Geist.Acronis True Image 2014.
#3
jerrydf
Max Output Level: -85 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 280
  • Joined: 2007/03/24 19:27:45
  • Location: Warwickshire, UK
  • Status: offline
Re: Addictive Drums (1 and 2) - stereo image is wrong way round? 2015/01/30 08:40:40 (permalink)
Cheers Beagle. However, most (I'd say 100%) of music created with Sonar is for the audience perspective.
 
Little Johnny will have to wire his speakers the other way round (or swap the ear-buds).
 
Big Jerry
#4
Karyn
Ma-Ma
  • Total Posts : 9200
  • Joined: 2009/01/30 08:03:10
  • Location: Lincoln, England.
  • Status: offline
Re: Addictive Drums (1 and 2) - stereo image is wrong way round? 2015/01/30 09:06:18 (permalink)
jerrydf
Cheers Beagle. However, most (I'd say 100%) of music created with Sonar is for the audience perspective.
 

I'd say it makes no difference simply because it depends on whether the drummer is left or right handed or a seq track.
 
When I mix live stuff I always work from audience perspective (allowing for left/right handed drummers), but studio stuff could have instruments panned anywhere at all for effect.  One of my drummer friends (left handed) uses a hi hat on BOTH sides of the kit.

Mekashi Futo
Get 10% off all Waves plugins.
Current DAW.  i7-950, Gigabyte EX58-UD5, 12Gb RAM, 1Tb SSD, 2x2Tb HDD, nVidia GTX 260, Antec 1000W psu, Win7 64bit, Studio 192, Digimax FS, KRK RP8G2, Sonar Platinum

#5
Wookiee
Rrrrugh arah-ah-woof?
  • Total Posts : 13306
  • Joined: 2007/01/16 06:19:43
  • Location: Akahaocwora - Village Yoh Kay
  • Status: offline
Re: Addictive Drums (1 and 2) - stereo image is wrong way round? 2015/01/30 10:24:37 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jerrydf 2015/01/30 15:22:02
Jerry I agree with your point of view.  As Beagle pointed out most of the drum software offer a way to change this only problem with XLN and AD 1/2 it is not obvious, though it can be done.
 
Any of the pans can be reversed and if you are not using individual outs and doing the panning within SONAR here is how it is done.
 
Place your mouse pointer on the the Orange bar in the middle of the pan control left click and drag downwards.
The two width bars will begin to move to the centre and then, when they meet in the centre, keep dragging and the pan control will turn blue moving out wards.  Result the entire kit perspective will be reversed.
 
All the other pans will work in the same way.
 

Life is not about waiting for the storm to pass, it's about learning to dance in the rain.
Karma has a way of finding its own way home.
Primary, i7 8700K 16Gigs Ram, 3x500gb SSD's 2TB Backup HHD Saffire Pro 40. Win 10 64Bit
Secondary  i7 4790K, 32GB Ram, 500Gb SSD OS/Prog's, 1TB Audio, 1TB Samples HHD AudioBox USB, Win 10 64Bit
CbB, Adam's A7x's - Event 20/20's, Arturia V6, Korg Digital Legacy, Softube Modular, Arturia Keylab-88, USB-MidiSport 8x8 
#6
Guitarpima
Max Output Level: -34 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 4125
  • Joined: 2005/11/19 23:53:59
  • Location: Terra 3
  • Status: offline
Re: Addictive Drums (1 and 2) - stereo image is wrong way round? 2015/01/30 10:35:42 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jerrydf 2015/01/30 15:22:08
On the edit page of each kit piece the left and right balance also controls the image as well. Side to side controls the balance and up and down controls the image. I don't like how it's implemented but it can be useful.

Notation, the original DAW. Everything else is just rote. We are who we are and no more than another. Humans, you people are crazy.
 
 Win 7 x64  X2  Intel DX58SO, Intel i7 920 2.66ghz 12gb DDR3  ASUS ATI EAH5750  650w PSU 4x WD HDs 320gb  DVD, DVD RW Eleven Rack, KRK Rokit 8s and 10s sub
#7
jerrydf
Max Output Level: -85 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 280
  • Joined: 2007/03/24 19:27:45
  • Location: Warwickshire, UK
  • Status: offline
Re: Addictive Drums (1 and 2) - stereo image is wrong way round? 2015/01/30 13:40:08 (permalink)
Wow - - thanks Wookie and Guitarpima - I didn't know about those controls (it's the pan on the Master).  Very useful, thanks.
 
Jerry
#8
gustabo
Max Output Level: -49.5 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 2591
  • Joined: 2009/01/05 17:32:38
  • Status: offline
Re: Addictive Drums (1 and 2) - stereo image is wrong way round? 2015/01/30 14:15:47 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jerrydf 2015/01/30 15:22:16
Route all your drums to a drums bus and put Channel Tools on the drums bus to reverse the image.


Cakewalk by Bandlab - Win10 Pro x64 - StudioCat Platinum Studio DAW - 32 GB Ram - MOTU UltraLite-mk3
M-Audio Keystation 88ES - Akai MPD26 (hot-rodded) - Alesis DM10 - a few guitars, a few amps
Novation Launch Control - Korg nanoKONTROL2 - PreSonus FaderPort - DAW Remote HD on iPad
Adam A7X - Behritone C50A
PreSonus Monitor Station v2 (controlling the mons)
https://www.facebook.com/groups/sonarusergroup/

#9
gustabo
Max Output Level: -49.5 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 2591
  • Joined: 2009/01/05 17:32:38
  • Status: offline
Re: Addictive Drums (1 and 2) - stereo image is wrong way round? 2015/01/30 14:16:56 (permalink)
Speaking of which, wish Channel Tools was a Pro Channel module...


Cakewalk by Bandlab - Win10 Pro x64 - StudioCat Platinum Studio DAW - 32 GB Ram - MOTU UltraLite-mk3
M-Audio Keystation 88ES - Akai MPD26 (hot-rodded) - Alesis DM10 - a few guitars, a few amps
Novation Launch Control - Korg nanoKONTROL2 - PreSonus FaderPort - DAW Remote HD on iPad
Adam A7X - Behritone C50A
PreSonus Monitor Station v2 (controlling the mons)
https://www.facebook.com/groups/sonarusergroup/

#10
Bristol_Jonesey
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 16775
  • Joined: 2007/10/08 15:41:17
  • Location: Bristol, UK
  • Status: offline
Re: Addictive Drums (1 and 2) - stereo image is wrong way round? 2015/01/30 14:29:42 (permalink)
gustabo
Speaking of which, wish Channel Tools was a Pro Channel module...


Yeah, a lot of us have been saying that ever since the PC was lauinched

CbB, Platinum, 64 bit throughout
Custom built i7 3930, 32Gb RAM, 2 x 1Tb Internal HDD, 1 x 1TB system SSD (Win 7), 1 x 500Gb system SSD (Win 10), 2 x 1Tb External HDD's, Dual boot Win 7 & Win 10 64 Bit, Saffire Pro 26, ISA One, Adam P11A,
#11
Guitarpima
Max Output Level: -34 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 4125
  • Joined: 2005/11/19 23:53:59
  • Location: Terra 3
  • Status: offline
Re: Addictive Drums (1 and 2) - stereo image is wrong way round? 2015/01/30 20:08:55 (permalink)
You can  put any effect into the pro-channel.

Notation, the original DAW. Everything else is just rote. We are who we are and no more than another. Humans, you people are crazy.
 
 Win 7 x64  X2  Intel DX58SO, Intel i7 920 2.66ghz 12gb DDR3  ASUS ATI EAH5750  650w PSU 4x WD HDs 320gb  DVD, DVD RW Eleven Rack, KRK Rokit 8s and 10s sub
#12
shawker
Max Output Level: -89 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 80
  • Joined: 2014/08/12 12:45:03
  • Location: Sunshine Coast BC
  • Status: offline
Re: Addictive Drums (1 and 2) - stereo image is wrong way round? 2015/01/30 21:18:56 (permalink)
You can also adjust the pan and volume for every kit piece sent to the room and overhead outputs.  This is the only way to pan cymbals.  In AD2, press Edit, the top left box allows the to select a kit piece and adjust to taste.
Jim
#13
Jump to:
© 2025 APG vNext Commercial Version 5.1