AlexakaaleX
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Should I or shouldn't I update X3?!
Hi, I upgraded from Sonar 6PE on XP to X3P on Win 7 earler in the year. So far I've stuck with the initial X3a installation without updating (although it hasn't seen heavy use as I'm still working on projects that are quite happy sitting in Sonar 6 for now). When I follow the 'check for updates' link in the help menu it directs me to the download page for X3b - I'm aware that the available updates go up to X3e so was wondering if I should go straight to that or if I need to install b, c, d and e each in turn (I wouldn't expect to) or if others have found there were any update versions that were particularly beneficial or problematic..? Or should I even bother (I haven't hit any problems with X3a yet)? Regards, Alex
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Re: Should I or shouldn't I update X3?!
2014/12/08 18:06:25
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Pragi
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Re: Should I or shouldn't I update X3?!
2014/12/08 18:06:51
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Hi, these are the infos you need, a cumulative update means X3 and then the E update- fixed. regards Pragi a quote from the downloadpage:A new update is available for SONAR X3, SONAR X3 Studio, and SONAR X3 Producer that addresses user reported issues. In order to install this update you must have SONAR X3 already installed. Note that this is a cumulative update. You can install SONAR X3e directly over the any of the following versions of SONAR X3: - SONAR X3 release version (available on discs),
- SONAR X3a ESD version (available as a digital download)
- SONAR X3b
- SONAR X3c
- SONAR X3d
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Pragi
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Re: Should I or shouldn't I update X3?!
2014/12/08 18:10:35
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Hi Alex, good to meet the man who once saved my recording life. Hope you are well ! Pragi
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AlexakaaleX
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Re: Should I or shouldn't I update X3?!
2014/12/08 18:12:06
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Thanks for confirming that the updates are cumulative Pragi and Alex. Any other recommendations for X3e?
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Pragi
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Re: Should I or shouldn't I update X3?!
2014/12/08 18:15:14
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Yes, what some of the experienced gents here recommend, always having a smile on the face during updating..... evering is running smoother!
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Re: Should I or shouldn't I update X3?!
2014/12/08 18:23:41
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Always back up to an external hard drive beforehand :) I recommend Acronis for the job but there are other solutions. Having said that I've only ever had to roll back Sonar once since X1. Oh and keep running windows update, check the optional updates, and make sure your interface drivers are on the latest including firmware. Cheers...
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Re: Should I or shouldn't I update X3?!
2014/12/08 22:28:59
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Yes do it, X3 e is the most stable version since 8.5. It's pretty simple, just make sure you have a good internet connection. You can download the update to a different computer too. I do that and then I save the files to my external drive so I'll have them for later.
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Re: Should I or shouldn't I update X3?!
2014/12/08 23:01:55
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Re: Should I or shouldn't I update X3?!
2014/12/09 05:52:44
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AlexakaaleX Any other recommendations for X3e?
A little bit OT Like you I went from 6 PE on XP to X 3 e (W 8 ) & stayed w 6 for a while before I tackled the X way of doing things . Take your time and learn your way around X3e . X3e is a lot more feature rich and much more powerful compared to SONAR 6 . good luck , I hope you enjoy X 3e . I do and I haven't touched 6 in number of months. Kenny
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Re: Should I or shouldn't I update X3?!
2015/01/30 18:51:52
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I reckon Sonar X3 is better than this new artist Platinum etc I already have all those effects and ad drums and the upgrade to me seems pointless Sonar X3 works great and I will stay with It and make music All of these upgrades are getting most people to follow like sheep and you will never make music with the amount of learning curve If you have additive drums and all the effects already ,you would think Cakewalk would slice off more for loyalty owners. Just compare Artist with Sonar x3 and X3 Is better if you have all the bits and pieces. It Is much better to wait for an upgrade knowing what you are getting. With this it is all guesswork and takes the fun out of waiting for the next big upgrade. Why buy cds when you can go back to vinyl!!!---much more fun!!
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dwardzala
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Re: Should I or shouldn't I update X3?!
2015/01/30 19:35:31
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Um, X3 does not have Vocal Sync, Mix recall, enhanced midi editing features or Craig Anderton's Amp Sims (and some enhancements that are "under the hood"). For early adopters of X3, AD2 is also new. You can certainly argue that the value isn't there based on those things and how you use Sonar, but to say that there is nothing in the upgrade is disingenuous. It appears that you have decided that this new membership model and what has been provided in the new sonar is not for you. If that is the case, please don't pollute the forums with mis-information about what is included or not and how it compares to X3 (or any other version of Sonar).
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subtlearts
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Re: Should I or shouldn't I update X3?!
2015/01/30 19:40:24
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dwardzala
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Re: Should I or shouldn't I update X3?!
2015/01/30 19:42:28
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I hear you subtlearts, but I don't want someone to read that post and think there is nothing in the upgrade.
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Re: Should I or shouldn't I update X3?!
2015/01/30 20:14:37
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true. it's been a bit of a plague of them this time around though. one wonders what is in it for them.
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igiwigi
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Re: Should I or shouldn't I update X3?!
2015/01/31 07:05:24
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Vocal sync etc Pah!! Pity people cannot sing without pitching their voices "Here come the robots" I cannot sing ,so i do not bother nor can Bob Dylan sing in tune!!! He should retire!! Ok - do you load platinum over x3 ,or do you have to uninstall everything and reload I have additive drums and packs and a lot of the effects and full sonar soft synths Re-loading all of that would be so much of a pain I do hope as you said that there is a lot going on under the hood and no cakewalk mechanics prolonging our agony. They could put one update in at a time and stretch it over the year and you would be none the wiser. I think it is a clever marketing move which i do hope does not leave us hoodwinked!!
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dwardzala
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Re: Should I or shouldn't I update X3?!
2015/01/31 07:59:03
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From your comment, you don't even know what vocal sync is. It is not autotune or pitch correction. It is used to adjust the timing of vocal so if you have a doubled vocal or backing vocals you can line them up timing wise to make them tighter. I still have X3 installed on my machine, but I doubt I will use it now that I have platinum. I did not install some of the content I already had and Platinum found it just fine.
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Re: Should I or shouldn't I update X3?!
2015/01/31 11:50:37
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dwardzala From your comment, you don't even know what vocal sync is. It is not autotune or pitch correction. It is used to adjust the timing of vocal so if you have a doubled vocal or backing vocals you can line them up timing wise to make them tighter.
Perhaps more crucially, anyone doing dialog for picture will find it helpful. When dialog is recorded in the field, there's usually background noise that can't be in the final footage. So, actors "loop" the dialog by listening to their original dialog and doubling what they said. Any deviations between the two make the sound appear out of sync with the lip movements. VocalSync tightens up the dialog. Not that the "I have no idea what I'm talking about but I'll comment anyway" guy cares, but others might find this helpful if they stumble on this thread.
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2015/01/31 14:22:15
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Anderton
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Re: Moved this post
2015/01/31 15:21:58
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[Jerry, that was considerate of you but for the record, I don't have a problem with putting the same post in two different threads that deal with the same topic. I don't think others would have a problem with it either. I didn't make this a PM because others might wonder about the same thing.]
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Re: Should I or shouldn't I update X3?!
2015/01/31 20:39:20
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Anderton
dwardzala From your comment, you don't even know what vocal sync is. It is not autotune or pitch correction. It is used to adjust the timing of vocal so if you have a doubled vocal or backing vocals you can line them up timing wise to make them tighter.
Perhaps more crucially, anyone doing dialog for picture will find it helpful. When dialog is recorded in the field, there's usually background noise that can't be in the final footage. So, actors "loop" the dialog by listening to their original dialog and doubling what they said. Any deviations between the two make the sound appear out of sync with the lip movements. VocalSync tightens up the dialog. Not that the "I have no idea what I'm talking about but I'll comment anyway" guy cares, but others might find this helpful if they stumble on this thread.
I fully recognize this (and that is one of the things that I will likely be using it for as I am involved in a video production team), but I left it out given that the OP would likely state "what's that got to do with making music?" In any case thanks for adding the comment.
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