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2015/01/31 04:16:36 (permalink)

We broke Phil Collins' heart...

According to this article.
http://uproxx.com/music/2015/01/where-is-phil-collins/
 
Truth is I wouldn't want to be in any artist's shoes in this day and age. But even as a South Park fan, and as funny as those episodes were, I'd never quite seen things from that angle. It was so obvious to me that the guy deserved respect...
 
At the end of the day, Collins has had quite an impact on my life, from the first time I heard Mama on the radio to that time when I first heard Duke, and so on... A lot of people my age discovered Genesis through Collins.
 

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Re: We broke Phil Collins' heart... 2015/01/31 05:26:17 (permalink)
Come back Phil. We love you really.

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Re: We broke Phil Collins' heart... 2015/01/31 06:55:14 (permalink)
I lost any respect for the guy around the time of the Sussudio / 1999 "rip-off" debate. In the interview I saw at the time he came across as very much up himself that anyone would dare suggest that any of his work sounds like anything else. Maybe if it didn't he might have had a point, but it just does. Personally I think quite a few of his own songs have a similarity to quite a few of his own songs, which I guess we are all guilty off occasionally, but the way he reacted to comments of similarity just made me think he was a bit of a tool really.
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Re: We broke Phil Collins' heart... 2015/01/31 08:30:05 (permalink)
I liked a lot of his solo stuff, but he does tend to go too near to parody with the obvious love he has for Motown.
 
In 1986 I saw Peter Gabriel on the 'So' tour, which is to this day, the best concert I've seen. The next weekend I saw Genesis at Wembley Arena (Invisible Touch tour), and they just bored me to tears. The low point was when Collins donned 'Blues Brothers' hat and shades for a 20 minute medley of standards..it was bloody awful, and the crowd was baying for Genesis songs (unsurprisingly).
 
Having seen the sister documentary to 'When In Rome', from the reunion tour in 2006(?), 'Come rain Or Shine', he does indeed come across as a complete tool, and obviously didn't want to be there at all.

 
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Re: We broke Phil Collins' heart... 2015/01/31 09:16:51 (permalink)
I didn't brake anything... I swear!
 
My mommy and daddy used to tell me all about the "big bad cruel world" way back when I was little.
To this day I'm afraid to look outside the door, let alone become famously popular, rich and wealthy, only to suffer at the hands of untold millions of haters who gonna hate.
 
My shades are drawn!
 
They can find my untold hundreds of hit home recordings after I'm gone. THEN I'll be rich and famous! THEN they can hash and bash me to their hearts content 'cause THEN I won't care!
 
 
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Re: We broke Phil Collins' heart... 2015/01/31 11:20:08 (permalink)
Phil Collins always will be a big part of who I am today.  His ballads and his progressive story lyrics in solo and Genesis songs were phenomenal to a teenager/young adult in the late 70's through mid 80's.
 
I don't care what kind of attitude he had at different interviews.  he will always be a top notch musician, producer and music marketing genius in my opinion.

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Re: We broke Phil Collins' heart... 2015/01/31 11:55:27 (permalink)
Ahh so it's in the air tonoight?
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Re: We broke Phil Collins' heart... 2015/01/31 12:09:14 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Rain 2015/01/31 13:05:28
Phil Collins came to my attention for his Hi Hat work on Nursery Cryme which is quite stunning.
 
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Re: We broke Phil Collins' heart... 2015/01/31 13:07:47 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Rain 2015/01/31 13:16:35
Phil Collins is a legend! It's fashionable to say you hate him in the same way it's fashionable to say you hate Microsoft. But the guy has recorded some absolutely brilliant music, let's face it. Can't Hurry Love was one of those rare covers that was better than the original, In the Air Tonight is a legendary pop tune which I see people singing along with (and air drumming to) every time it's played in a store, Against All Odds has one of the nicest chord progressions you'll ever hear, Mama has one of the most powerful melodies of the 80's. I've never been swayed by all the hatred.

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Re: We broke Phil Collins' heart... 2015/01/31 13:15:33 (permalink)
To be honest, I don't recall even reading or watching an interview w/ him. He may or may not be a tool or whatever - I honestly don't know. That wouldn't be the first time the guys from South Park were right. ;)
 
His contributions as a musician seem undeniable to me, though. 

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Re: We broke Phil Collins' heart... 2015/01/31 13:44:27 (permalink)
I always thought he was a pretty decent guitarist for Def Leppard.
 
What?  This thread is about someone else?  Not Phil Collen?  Oh...  Nevermind.  My bad.

 
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Re: We broke Phil Collins' heart... 2015/01/31 13:53:21 (permalink)
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I always thought he was a pretty decent guitarist for Def Leppard.
 




See, now that would have done. That was funny. You didn't need the rest.

 
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Re: We broke Phil Collins' heart... 2015/01/31 13:54:06 (permalink)
The good thing is that the article got me thinking that maybe it was time for me to check out those old Genesis records again, and I ended up the night listening to A Trick of the Tail. I'll probably go through the rest of the stuff as well, as I finally seem to get it. A bit like Rush last year, after a lifetime of intense dislike.
 
I'm really liking the sound of that album.
 
I was a bit familiar with some of those old records, but I've never been much of a prog rock fan.

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Re: We broke Phil Collins' heart... 2015/01/31 13:54:20 (permalink)
His songs, voice, drumming, and production was a big influence on my and many others as well. I fee sorry that he pretty much lost his hearing.

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Re: We broke Phil Collins' heart... 2015/01/31 13:56:49 (permalink)
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I always thought he was a pretty decent guitarist for Def Leppard.
 




See, now that would have done. That was funny. You didn't need the rest.




Well, I actually like a lot of Phil's work (in my head I almost treat post-Peter Genesis as a different band) so I didn't want to make it sound that I was only jumping on the bash Phil bandwagon. 

 
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Re: We broke Phil Collins' heart... 2015/01/31 15:56:37 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Rain 2015/01/31 16:01:02
The man is one of the best drummers on the planet. I heard rumours that he had quit because of his physical condition. A bad back and severe tinnitus. He has made a tremendous contribution to music and is extremely talented. What's that ponce Noel Gallagher done to be remembered.

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Re: We broke Phil Collins' heart... 2015/01/31 16:43:01 (permalink)
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What's that ponce Noel Gallagher done to be remembered.




 
Actually, he's a damn fine songwriter. 'Little by Little', 'Half a World Away' and 'Don't Look Back in Anger' are superb songs, and he's a far better singer than his idiot brother.

 
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Re: We broke Phil Collins' heart... 2015/01/31 16:47:28 (permalink)
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Can't Hurry Love was one of those rare covers that was better than the original,




 
I'm going to go with 'No' on that.

 
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Re: We broke Phil Collins' heart... 2015/01/31 19:51:53 (permalink)
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Can't Hurry Love was one of those rare covers that was better than the original,




 
I'm going to go with 'No' on that.




Well you're entitled to your opinion of course. I just think his version nails the song perfectly, at least in comparison with the original.

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Re: We broke Phil Collins' heart... 2015/01/31 22:52:27 (permalink)
I was a big fan of Genesis up to the departure of Steve Hackett. After that I did not but another album. That said I do not dislike the later Genesis or Phil Collins's solo work.
 
Seems to me the trend for emerging bands to ridicule the previous wave of big bands started with Punk new wave.
 
As for being the butt of endless jokes Eric Morcambe never let up on Des O'Conner.

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Re: We broke Phil Collins' heart... 2015/01/31 22:55:08 (permalink)
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Can't Hurry Love was one of those rare covers that was better than the original,




 
I'm going to go with 'No' on that.


I agree. Im my opinion it was a good cover, but to pick up on the point you made earlier it was close to parody. Of course the video also adds to that perception.

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Re: We broke Phil Collins' heart... 2015/02/01 04:09:23 (permalink)
Said it before, but I think I think it's a shame Genesis fans didn't give Ray Wilson more of a chance. Calling All Stations had some good songs on it, and he's a fine singer, somewhat closer to Gabriel than Collins. Could have been an interesting lease of life for the band if they'd carried on with him.
 


 
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Re: We broke Phil Collins' heart... 2015/02/01 06:47:08 (permalink)
I watched a show where Tony Banks and Mike Rutherford talked about the issues that arose from Calling All Stations.
 
It wasn't so much for them that the music didn't work - they decided they didn't want to go back to square one on all the work to basically start over with winning over public opinion.
(At least that's what they said)
 
And there was a show about Phil revisiting all the Motown stuff, and it looked like he worked pretty hard at getting things right, with lots of behind the scenes listening to the folks who were THERE, the ones who played on all those originals - Phil worked very closely with all those folks, or at least it looked like it to me.
 
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Re: We broke Phil Collins' heart... 2015/02/01 07:01:00 (permalink)
I think Phil was also rather bored with the singing, at least during the slow parts, from comments he used to make while they rehearsed.
 
I think he may also have had some hand problems that prevented him from playing the drums at the level he used to, and I think that really bothered him too.
 
I love Genesis music - not the stuff at the end, but up until And Then There Were Three.  There are some tunes on that one I didn't care too much for, but the production quality was really good, and I liked about 3 of the tunes.
 
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Re: We broke Phil Collins' heart... 2015/02/01 11:42:11 (permalink)
Phil Collins, with BRAND X, was some of the best stuff ever.
 
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Re: We broke Phil Collins' heart... 2015/02/01 14:50:07 (permalink)
Reading a few things here and there, it would seem that things were blown out of proportion as to how he reacted to this negativity and was well-aware that there were tons of fans out there who appreciated him.
 
Seems the man had many reasons to cease performing, including health related issues. 
 
As for Gallagher vs Collins, I appreciate both. Gallagher is a good songwriter and an adequate singer, and that's it. I watched 2 minutes of interview w/ him recently and felt like slapping him in the back of the head. So whether it's him or Collins, I'd rather focus on their music.
 
Collins is 100 times the musician Gallagher is. Sure, some parts of his catalogue haven't aged all that well - but that's a fraction of the man's artistic output. You may be embarrassed when you hear Sussudio or intensely dislike other parts of his catalogue but still appreciate what he did with Genesis. You could dislike his songs but still appreciate his drumming.
 
Whereas with Gallagher, if you don't like the Beatles, there are big chances that you won't like anything he wrote... 
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Re: We broke Phil Collins' heart... 2015/02/01 20:46:13 (permalink)
brand x.
 
it's way more impressive than all the rest
 
ghodd@mn against all odds
 
 
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Re: We broke Phil Collins' heart... 2015/02/02 11:42:43 (permalink)
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brand x.
 
it's way more impressive than all the rest
 
ghodd@mn against all odds
 
 
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Re: We broke Phil Collins' heart... 2015/02/02 11:48:42 (permalink)
I did like his drums and backing vocals on John Martyn's 'Grace and Danger' album, that was a good fit and no gated reverb to be heard.
 
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Re: We broke Phil Collins' heart... 2015/02/02 15:57:17 (permalink)
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Phil Collins came to my attention for his Hi Hat work on Nursery Cryme which is quite stunning.
 
It always amuses me the way the media/music business build people up and then take such great pleasure in knocking them down, usually those doing the knocking are actually the untalented wannabes, or up their own fundamental orifices skin wasters.  Just my Furry thoughts on the matter.




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