johnkeel
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Markers "jump to" midi control?
I just bought Sonar Professional and the timing was perfect. My band "Sullen" (in my sig) is getting ready for gigs, which means a lot of programming for the geek synth dude (me).
I will be using Sonar live for all sequencing, all patch changes, in-ear monitor clicks, fx envelopes, etc, in the past i used to play only with a instance of Kore2 to load my VSTs so this is a big upgrade in programming skills.
So, i just started setting it up and already there's a first doubt. my main Keyboard a Kurzweil PC3 will be my main controller, and im thinking about using markers to jump from song to song. So, i can already set a midi button in the keyboard to do Next and Previous marker, but i cant seem to find a way to do "jump to marker X".
Since the Kurzweil can have initial midi commands when you select a preset i want to add a "Jump to Marker X" whenever i select the Kurzweil setup "Song X". I need to point a button to a CC that corresponds to Markers (not next and previous). Anyone knows how to do this?
Thanks
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Re: Markers "jump to" midi control?
2015/02/02 08:51:20
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There is an API call in the SDK for marker navigation aside from that maybe you could try mapping a midi cc to a keybinding where afairemember, is exposed for our enjoyment.
Start with keybindings then work backwards to your controller.
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Re: Markers "jump to" midi control?
2015/02/02 11:43:52
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Binding keys wont solve any problem, this is the available marker key shortcuts: Insert marker M Next marker CTRL+SHIFT+PAGE DOWN Previous marker CTRL+SHIFT+PAGE UP Open Markers view ALT+SHIFT+4 Hummm in my head this seems something easy and simple just like a midi program change, but instead of changing program it would change the marker. Looking at this: http://www.cakewalk.com/Documentation?product=SONAR%20X2&language=4&help=ControlBar.12.html You got Previous and Next, why not sending a value so that the "D" will jump to the marker matching the value? This is of most use for any Live Programmer / Keyboard player! I never had to use this but i always thought this would be a walk in the park when the time comes, well the time did arrive and im lost haha
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Re: Markers "jump to" midi control?
2015/02/02 12:04:53
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It is (theoretically) possible to do key binding for timeline moving (so "G" + "delete" X time to remove old value +"YYYYYY" new time + "Enter"). If you do not afraid to be "alpha tester", I can add such action into my plug-in. I do not have Visual Studio to modify ACT MIDI one. As bitman writes, that is just several C lines at proper place 
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Re: Markers "jump to" midi control?
2015/02/02 12:11:50
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It is possible to manipulate the Now time using CAL and bind the CAL scripts to shortcuts. For example this will set Now to measure 2 beat 1 tick 0
(= Now (makeTime 2 1 0))
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Re: Markers "jump to" midi control?
2015/02/02 12:45:12
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It is (theoretically) possible to do key binding for timeline moving (so "G" + "delete" X time to remove old value +"YYYYYY" new time + "Enter").
If you do not afraid to be "alpha tester", I can add such action into my plug-in. I do not have Visual Studio to modify ACT MIDI one. As bitman writes, that is just several C lines at proper place
I could beta test it sure! Scook, well i dont even know what to do with that information, im sorry :(
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Re: Markers "jump to" midi control?
2015/02/02 15:27:56
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johnkeel
azslow3
It is (theoretically) possible to do key binding for timeline moving (so "G" + "delete" X time to remove old value +"YYYYYY" new time + "Enter").
If you do not afraid to be "alpha tester", I can add such action into my plug-in. I do not have Visual Studio to modify ACT MIDI one. As bitman writes, that is just several C lines at proper place
I could beta test it sure!
Ok, I will implement it tomorrow.
Scook, well i dont even know what to do with that information, im sorry :(
That is in fact a good idea. CAL scripts (C:\Cakewalk\Content\SONAR <version>\CAL Scripts) are "macros" for SONAR. You can create several scripts for different positions inside your project and then bind the execution. It sounds a bit cryptic at first, but configuring my plug-in can be even more confusing... CAL can help you with other "unusual" operations, not available directly in SONAR. My plug-in can help you with complicated Control Surface bindings. For example, you can fix some controls to arbitrary track/bus/send (and most other) parameters.
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Re: Markers "jump to" midi control?
2015/02/02 15:56:47
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☄ Helpfulby johnkeel 2015/03/07 06:35:59
Instead or in addition to using markers, CAL will let you jump directly to a specified time. CAL scripts are plain text files stored in the CAL Files location specified in Preferences > File > Folder Locations. Suppose marker X is at measure 25 beat 2 tick 3. In notepad create JumpToMarkerX.CAL in the CAL files path and add the line
(= Now (makeTime 25 2 3))
and save the file. This command sets the Now time using the makeTime function. The makeTime function takes three arguments measure, beat and tick. CAL scripts are run from Process > Run CAL.... CAL scripts also show up in the keyboard shortcuts Global Area and can be bound to key and MIDI combinations.
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Re: Markers "jump to" midi control?
2015/02/04 12:48:06
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AZ Controller latest Test version (0.3r0) includes that action.
It supports absolute and relative jumps, state dependent jumps and searches by name. For example, it is possible to search "previous 'Verse'", " 'Chorus' right from Marker 12" and all other combinations I could imagine.
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Re: Markers "jump to" midi control?
2015/03/07 06:37:25
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scook
Instead or in addition to using markers, CAL will let you jump directly to a specified time. CAL scripts are plain text files stored in the CAL Files location specified in Preferences > File > Folder Locations. Suppose marker X is at measure 25 beat 2 tick 3. In notepad create JumpToMarkerX.CAL in the CAL files path and add the line
(= Now (makeTime 25 2 3))
and save the file. This command sets the Now time using the makeTime function. The makeTime function takes three arguments measure, beat and tick. CAL scripts are run from Process > Run CAL.... CAL scripts also show up in the keyboard shortcuts Global Area and can be bound to key and MIDI combinations.
Zomg, that was easy! You Sir are the man! Any idea how to make a ACT Script for Mix Recalls ? Like One Script per Mix Recall entry?
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Re: Markers "jump to" midi control?
2015/03/07 07:26:01
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☄ Helpfulby johnkeel 2015/03/07 10:17:21
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So, i just started setting it up and already there's a first doubt. my main Keyboard a Kurzweil PC3 will be my main controller, and im thinking about using markers to jump from song to song. So, i can already set a midi button in the keyboard to do Next and Previous marker, but i cant seem to find a way to do "jump to marker X".
Since the Kurzweil can have initial midi commands when you select a preset i want to add a "Jump to Marker X" whenever i select the Kurzweil setup "Song X". I need to point a button to a CC that corresponds to Markers (not next and previous). Anyone knows how to do this?
Thanks
Before it all gets too complicated and off topic ... I had the same problem: all songs in one Sonar project and jumping between using markers ... however, there's only PREV and NEXT for markers so it only works by stepping through while looking at a screen ... THEREFORE ... we changed the set-up to use the play list feature (have a look at this before you decide on how to build your setup) which allows you the have each song in a separate prj file, it loads them automatically according to your sequence, even auto-starts if you want ... so this can handle a lot of things for you (like switching FX and digital mixer per song, basically anything you could do with MIDI data on external gear)
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Re: Markers "jump to" midi control?
2015/03/07 07:54:08
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Before it all gets too complicated and off topic ... I had the same problem: all songs in one Sonar project and jumping between using markers ... however, there's only PREV and NEXT for markers so it only works by stepping through while looking at a screen ...
THEREFORE ... we changed the set-up to use the play list feature (have a look at this before you decide on how to build your setup) which allows you the have each song in a separate prj file, it loads them automatically according to your sequence, even auto-starts if you want ... so this can handle a lot of things for you (like switching FX and digital mixer per song, basically anything you could do with MIDI data on external gear)
Sorry but... what play list feature feature?
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Re: Markers "jump to" midi control?
2015/03/07 10:00:14
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☄ Helpfulby johnkeel 2015/03/07 10:17:25
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Sorry but... what play list feature feature?
Play List documentation. It seems this would be ideal for what you want to do.
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Re: Markers "jump to" midi control?
2015/03/07 10:08:52
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johnkeel
Sorry but... what play list feature feature?
Play List documentation. It seems this would be ideal for what you want to do.
Is this still available in the 2015 Sonar? Im using Sonar Professional. Im not at home now, but i dont think i ever seen that playlist thing.
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Re: Markers "jump to" midi control?
2015/03/07 10:38:27
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☄ Helpfulby johnkeel 2015/03/07 10:48:16
I don't have Professional installed, but it's been a part of the core SONAR program for a long time so I assume it's there. The option should be at the top of the list of Templates when you open a new file.
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Re: Markers "jump to" midi control?
2015/03/07 10:46:59
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I don't have Professional installed, but it's been a part of the core SONAR program for a long time so I assume it's there. The option should be at the top of the list of Templates when you open a new file.
Damn... how could i have missed this, it´s like i been living a lie! I still have my X3e so even if it´s not in Professional i can still use X3 for live usage. Well thank you guys, all the help that was given in this topic is more then enough for me to use Sonar in live gigs and never look back.
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