interesting discussion about propellerheads shutting down their user forums

Good thing these forums are sti

swamptooth
http://www.kvraudio.com/f...c.php?f=7&t=429883

How was this interesting?

kitekrazy1

swamptooth
http://www.kvraudio.com/f...c.php?f=7&t=429883

How was this interesting?

I think I was looking at it from the perspective of someone who also uses reason - standalone and rewire and thinking it would also be interesting to other reason users here.  There was a lot of info about how the forums degenerated over time... something that has been said about the sonar forums as well on occassion.  I think the several posts from current sonar users was interesting, but even more so the comments from devs of rack extensions that they sell through the ph shop.  
One thing about their forum was it did turn into a s#!tstorm every time a new version was released.  Kind of like the sonar forum, but to a much greater extent the last couple of years.  
If you were familiar with the basic layout of the reason forums, it was pretty much doomed from the get.  they had beginner, advanced and songs sub-forums.  I think cakewalk has, what, 12-16??  This pushed all the noise into of all places the advanced forum, which clogged up the whole process.  
I met some great people on their forums.  Really supportive.  People were always sharing ideas and patches.  The contests were really fun!  One of the guys on the forum, raymond hayter, would set a lot of them up and work with devs to allocate prizes and free rack extensions (reason's version of vsts).  In those aspects it was really awesome.  
My main thing though was can you imagine, even if you only had a hundred posts on the sonar forums (which isn't hard to do), that one day you'd be given a few days notice that all of these years of input and insight and shared experience would simply *poof* vanish?
I think my hat is off to cake for keeping their forums alive.  I dig this place a lot -- the reason forums were my second fave.  I show up here every day but there only every couple of weeks.   I was surprised to see them gone.  
I dunno.  Personally, I feel user forums sponsored by the company lend themselves to the overall experience of creating and this decision by Propellerheads really made left a negative impact on me.  
 
Any other reason users out there?

Then they could have said that instead of the drivel they posted as their reason. spam is not tough to avoid. Remember a few months ago when we were getting spammed here?
Their staff were actually using the forums quite a bit but they started deleting posts and banning people pretty regularly - a lot of other users were left head scratching. It seems their staff lost any legitimacy at that point.

swamptooth

kitekrazy1

swamptooth
http://www.kvraudio.com/f...c.php?f=7&t=429883

How was this interesting?

I think I was looking at it from the perspective of someone who also uses reason - standalone and rewire and thinking it would also be interesting to other reason users here.  There was a lot of info about how the forums degenerated over time... something that has been said about the sonar forums as well on occassion.  I think the several posts from current sonar users was interesting, but even more so the comments from devs of rack extensions that they sell through the ph shop.  
One thing about their forum was it did turn into a s#!tstorm every time a new version was released.  Kind of like the sonar forum, but to a much greater extent the last couple of years.  
If you were familiar with the basic layout of the reason forums, it was pretty much doomed from the get.  they had beginner, advanced and songs sub-forums.  I think cakewalk has, what, 12-16??  This pushed all the noise into of all places the advanced forum, which clogged up the whole process.  
I met some great people on their forums.  Really supportive.  People were always sharing ideas and patches.  The contests were really fun!  One of the guys on the forum, raymond hayter, would set a lot of them up and work with devs to allocate prizes and free rack extensions (reason's version of vsts).  In those aspects it was really awesome.  
My main thing though was can you imagine, even if you only had a hundred posts on the sonar forums (which isn't hard to do), that one day you'd be given a few days notice that all of these years of input and insight and shared experience would simply *poof* vanish?
I think my hat is off to cake for keeping their forums alive.  I dig this place a lot -- the reason forums were my second fave.  I show up here every day but there only every couple of weeks.   I was surprised to see them gone.  
I dunno.  Personally, I feel user forums sponsored by the company lend themselves to the overall experience of creating and this decision by Propellerheads really made left a negative impact on me.  
 
Any other reason users out there?

  I think the false information spread about the new Sonar (from non users) created a lot of confusion. Sonar was now compared to Avid.
   You always have people on the fence when it comes to upgrading. They are either content with what they have or they are messing around with other DAWs.   I've been on my last Sonar upgrade since Sonar 7. It's always the extra stuff that gets me. The AD Pro pack was hard to ignore since I have four machines and the license helps. This was one of the times though I really paid attention to the new features. I really love the new control bar.  That was the icing on the cake (no pun intended).
   Let's look at Reason 8.  I liked the new browser, a clincher for me. Now I realize it's kind of clumsy.  You can't audition synth patches like you use to.  Their add ons were two amp simulators as REs.  Really? They will replace the Line 6 gear.  Addition yet soon to be subtraction.  Look at the REs they've made. One could say they should have spent time making a better DAW than creating REs. Then the native started to up rise when a new user could get $450 in REs.  I think if they took a RE and made it into a Reason instrument that would smooth things over. They are expensive to being with.  One thing Cakewalk usually does is treat upgraders and new users equally when giving away toys.
  I like Reason's unique way of creating music but it's years behind most DAWs.  Importing an audio loop is not like Sonar or Live.  Importing a midi file is a joke because it opens up the ID8.  There is no option to switch a synth on that track. You have to open up another instrument and drag that midi file down.  The key commands are limited.  You have to go to a menu to initialize a synth now called reset synth.  A key command would be nice.  It lacks those things but yet it's a sophisticated device.  It's probably those most stable DAW I have.  I like it because you have limitations because there are not VSTs like Kontakt.
 They made some mistakes with their loyal users and it will be interesting what they do. Their 8 to 8.1 update was a joke.
 
 I think the difference here is the even with the confusion of the Sonar upgrade, the enemies will soon become friends and the loyal Reason users who are not fan boys will still be unhappy. I think they have legitimate gripes.
 

I have / run v7 , but in 2000 when I was in the industry saw a alpha version of reason v1 @ work when an m-audio rep brought it in... was amazing.. 15 years on, is the first time I'd not upgraded due to I didn't feel they earned the fee of the upgrade, with what was offered. I'd rather wait till I get a grace period update.
 
their forum has a "features request" bit.. bit pointless as it just seemed they never listened.  e.g. I wanted to have a template for stand alone and 1 in rewire mode.
 
I find it quick to do sketches vs other things..  but I can't NOT do without my vst's.. which without, do make it a bit more stable in ways.
 
things like recycle I feel they actually made it worse.. they should have gone to make a batch convert mode *and* an audio editor.. I prefer to use the older version of it.
 
record was a calculated gamble, as they could / did re-use some of the code / libs in reason if it didn't work out.
 
if people attacking their forum servers gets access to anything else, then I understand why they are doing it. I don't feel loyal to many companies, but I do think they have lost their way a bit.

dlesaux

bapu
Good thing these forums are sti

Good one Bapu..! Reminds me of an astrophysicist joke: "An atomic particle walks into a black hole.."

...'with some dark matter on his head in the shape of a duck. The black hole bartender says, "you can't come in hear with that stupid thing on your head! Where did you find that ugly thing anyway?" The dark matter duck says "I don't know, when I woke up this morning it was stuck to my butt."