benvenisti
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ASIO or WDM for SONAR Platinum and SCOPE 5.1?
My apologies if this has been answered before or posting in the wrong place. I've searched through the forum here, PlanetZ and on the net but couldn't get a clear answer as to why the SCOPE 5.1 ASIO drivers only give me one input and one output and the WDM drivers give me the expected four and four (stereo - which, in Platinum are now actually labeled correctly so you see the mono and stereo choices). This may be a stupid question but I have not used SCOPE for almost 6 years but I recall having multiple IOs with SCOPE 4.5 in Win XP SP1 32 bit and not sure if they were ASIO or WDM. I thought there was an advantage to using ASIO but if not I can stick with WDM as I cannot hear any difference or see any stability differences. Thanks in advance! I do not need to sync at anything higher than 48Khz and I'm on Windows 7 Pro 64 bit if that somehow has something to do with it.
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Re: ASIO or WDM for SONAR Platinum and SCOPE 5.1?
2015/02/04 12:07:49
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Use whatever works best, doesnt matter.
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benvenisti
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Re: ASIO or WDM for SONAR Platinum and SCOPE 5.1?
2015/02/04 12:43:44
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Right. Does anyone know why WDM gives 8+ I/Os and ASIO only gives 2 on SCOPE 5.1 with Platinum?
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Re: ASIO or WDM for SONAR Platinum and SCOPE 5.1?
2015/02/04 12:53:12
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The ASIO drivers suck? Speaking of which did you verify you have the latest drivers?
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benvenisti
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Re: ASIO or WDM for SONAR Platinum and SCOPE 5.1?
2015/02/04 13:16:19
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Never said they suck. Do they? Is that why the ins and outs are limited? They are the latest Scope 5.1.
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Re: ASIO or WDM for SONAR Platinum and SCOPE 5.1?
2015/02/04 14:16:34
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On my Roland Studio-Capture, the ASIO drivers are better. I can get lower latency than with the WDM drivers.
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benvenisti
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Re: ASIO or WDM for SONAR Platinum and SCOPE 5.1?
2015/02/04 16:28:54
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Sorry if I was not clear but I'm referring to SCOPE ASIO exclusively.
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Re: ASIO or WDM for SONAR Platinum and SCOPE 5.1?
2015/02/04 18:46:53
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Re: ASIO or WDM for SONAR Platinum and SCOPE 5.1?
2015/02/04 19:25:55
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I'm confused as well, Johnny. Scope appears to be something like ASIO4All. It, looks like, for whatever reason, the ASIO inputs are not being properly communicated to Sonar. Ron, I see you have the MOTU interface. Is there a reason you are not using its native ASIO drivers?
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benvenisti
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Re: ASIO or WDM for SONAR Platinum and SCOPE 5.1?
2015/02/04 20:16:05
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I plan on using two integrated systems. A Prostar i7 Windows 8.1 notebook with SONAR Platinum and VSTs on top of the MOTU with native ASIO. The other system is an HP XW4600 Quad Core Win 7 64 with Platinum on top of SCOPE 5.1. The two systems communicate via ADAT and MIDI. Recording is done on either one or both depending on the project. Everything is sync'd at 48Khz over ADAT and MIDI so control surfaces work across the board and either system can be the main transport controller. It's a bit complex but the SCOPE system is really the workhorse because of its pristine native DSP processing which no DAW can touch before crashing and stuttering, etc. I use the SONAR notebook without overloading the CPU (which is overclocked at 3.5 Ghz with 32GB worth of RAM and dual SSDs so it's pretty max headroom) for VSTs like AVOX and Guitar Rig and Kontakt 5 etc., which consume a lot of CPU. It's pretty solid with the MOTU which I also use as a direct box and pre's. Between the MOTU and SCOPE cards it gives me over 224 channels of which 40 are analog. The most I would use is a mix of tops 32-40 with mostly digital including MIDI. Now it's back to tweaking. So far so good now that I remembered how to set the ASIO2 channels in SCOPE! Doh!
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dwardzala
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Re: ASIO or WDM for SONAR Platinum and SCOPE 5.1?
2015/02/05 10:59:05
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Yeah, it was an attempt at humor. Sorry if it detracted from solving the problem. I can't tell from your response above if you have it sorted out or not. I am also baffled by the complexity of your setup.
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Re: ASIO or WDM for SONAR Platinum and SCOPE 5.1?
2015/02/05 12:58:44
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Scope is hardware/software. The hardware is based upon early Shark cards (like what UAD uses). I don't think they are still selling new systems but a lot of people still have them and there is new software in Europe, I think. I have no idea why the Scope ASIO wouldn't find all the ins/outs. Of course, I don't think I could find 224 ins/outs. ;-)
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benvenisti
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Re: ASIO or WDM for SONAR Platinum and SCOPE 5.1?
2015/02/05 13:14:04
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@dwardzala, no worries! I did get it figured out. It was such a simple fix, something I forgot (a fairly obvious setting in a dialog box!) as I just got back into SCOPE again, resurrecting and updating that system with a major overhaul. Each system has it's strengths and weaknesses so both gives the best of both worlds. I admit it is not your straightforward solution but it is something that is done by guys like me who are addicted to SONAR and SCOPE. Simplistically speaking it's like having a separate ADAT recorder that can communicate two ways with finely configurable devices that don't require any CPU use. For the SCOPE un-itiated (and diehards) you can find out a lot of detail about SCOPE (Sonic-Core) products and implementations over at the www.planetz.com forum. SCOPE and SONAR have been my rock-steady and noiseless setup since 2003. This is the first time I'm going with a dual setup which has been used by other SCOPE/SONAR users with great success.
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Re: ASIO or WDM for SONAR Platinum and SCOPE 5.1?
2015/02/05 19:32:53
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Well it's certainly something I never heard of and I read just about every dang music related magazine and such since the beginning of time. So thanks for something new to ponder. Glad you got it going that's the main thing.
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dwardzala
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Re: ASIO or WDM for SONAR Platinum and SCOPE 5.1?
2015/02/06 09:22:19
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Glad its working and thank you for the brief overview.
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