Rain
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Year of the Marshall...
Hopefully. Having plugged into the little Marshall practice amp recently, I once again realized that that's my sound. I dig other amps, but a Marshall is home to me.
As far as I can tell, my best bet would be a JCM-800 - it seems to cover as much ground as I need - not too modern, not too retro, yet capable of delivering practically every type of tone I use.
For those of you who've kept up with the more current offerings, what would you recommend as an equivalent of/closest thing to a JCM-800 in the current line-up? I'm looking for a head + 4x12 cab config...
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Re: Year of the Marshall...
2015/02/08 20:58:00
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Checking tem out on eBay, those JCM-800 aren't that expensive - not as I thought they'd be. This COULD be an option. But a brand new equivalent would be nice too.
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Re: Year of the Marshall...
2015/02/08 22:24:47
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How much wattage are you looking for? These little 1w heads are awfully nice......JVM 1H.
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Re: Year of the Marshall...
2015/02/08 22:29:42
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The reason I'm looking at modern ones is that you don't have to push them to get in that ballpark. Ideally, I want something that can do both - drive at modest settings but loud enough to play small venues live.
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Re: Year of the Marshall...
2015/02/08 22:37:06
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I just sold my V4. I've had JCM800 run away from it in shame.
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Re: Year of the Marshall...
2015/02/08 22:41:30
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but seriously...get something small...like those lil 5 watters... and tell the FOH to mic it correctly and PULL YOU UP in the mains.
the [orange] tiny or dark terror??
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Re: Year of the Marshall...
2015/02/09 11:37:31
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Rain
As far as I can tell, my best bet would be a JCM-800 - it seems to cover as much ground as I need - not too modern, not too retro, yet capable of delivering practically every type of tone I use.
For those of you who've kept up with the more current offerings, what would you recommend as an equivalent of/closest thing to a JCM-800 in the current line-up? I'm looking for a head + 4x12 cab config...
are you looking for POWER, for live play... or CONTROL for recording?
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Re: Year of the Marshall...
2015/02/09 11:37:57
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cuz jcm800's pretty much suck at low volume.....
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Re: Year of the Marshall...
2015/02/09 11:44:55
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☄ Helpfulby Rain 2015/02/09 14:54:47
Metropolous (the most faithfull and accurate sounding clone but super expensive)
Ceriatone (the best bang for the buck)
Reinhardt
Germino
Fargen Olde 800
Top Hat Emplexador
or.........
just get a marshall 2204!!
Avatar makes great cabinets, i have a vintage 1x12..
if it were me, i'd buy (2) 2x12's, one open back, one closed back.
but if it's just got to be a 4x12, avatar is great...
the best THREE cabs i've ever heard in 4x12 mode, is:
1. Bogner
2. Orange
3. Mesa
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Re: Year of the Marshall...
2015/02/09 12:55:35
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Krist has The Marshall Plan.
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Re: Year of the Marshall...
2015/02/09 14:14:36
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☄ Helpfulby Rain 2015/02/09 14:55:17
Rain
As far as I can tell, my best bet would be a JCM-800 - it seems to cover as much ground as I need - not too modern, not too retro, yet capable of delivering practically every type of tone I use.
For those of you who've kept up with the more current offerings, what would you recommend as an equivalent of/closest thing to a JCM-800 in the current line-up? I'm looking for a head + 4x12 cab config...
You need to listen for yourself with your own instrument (or something very similar). On more than one occasion, after trying things out I've come home with something completely different from what I thought would suit me best. And when trying them be aware that if you want to change sounds with a footswitch, be aware that some Marshalls (like my DSL) don't always do this so well because of vastly different voicings between the channels and shared EQ. On my DSL with the Ultra Gain channel the bottom drops out because it's voiced with the low end rolled off (something that's not uncommon in high gain preamps) compared to the Classic Gain channel. If it has to say Marshall - and if so I certainly understand this - the current options are limited and some are quite pricey.
 In order, then, to discover the limit of deepest tones, it is necessary not only to produce very violent agitations in the air but to give these the form of simple pendular vibrations. - Hermann von Helmholtz, predicting the role of the electric bassist in 1877.
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Re: Year of the Marshall...
2015/02/09 14:48:49
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I once thought I was stranded on the Marshall Islands. You can imagine my disappointment when I went backstage and saw that it was just a cardboard cutout.
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Re: Year of the Marshall...
2015/02/09 15:14:02
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UbiquitousBubba
I once thought I was stranded on the Marshall Islands. You can imagine my disappointment when I went backstage and saw that it was just a cardboard cutout.
LSHMCOMN!
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Re: Year of the Marshall...
2015/02/09 15:23:29
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The JCM-800 is the one I'm most familiar with, though I haven't had a chance to play one in, uh, 20 years or so. Obviously, the way I hear things changed dramatically since then.
What I know for a fact is that, with the exception of one amp (a Valvestate 2000, on which the OD channel was nasty) pretty much every Marshall I've worked with had that type of tone I'm after, w/ varying degrees of quality. But in essence, even the little MG has that.
I've played other amps like Fender, Vox, Boogie, Laney, which I liked for different reasons, but none of them felt home. I guess I could shop around and try things, like those EVH and such. But at the end of the day, I'd rather just go for what I know works for me.
One of the reasons I'd like head+cab instead of combo is that I'd like to have the option to operate the amp from my recording position and have the cab isolated/in a different room.
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Re: Year of the Marshall...
2015/02/09 21:35:50
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Rain
One of the reasons I'd like head+cab instead of combo is that I'd like to have the option to operate the amp from my recording position and have the cab isolated/in a different room.
I guess standing in front of the amp to have yer pant legs flappin', isn't an option??
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Re: Year of the Marshall...
2015/02/09 23:56:36
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I still don't know exactly what you want. An 800 is a really rockin' amp that can shake the rafters, but it can also deliver that low volume pre amp distortion that sounds like you're jiffy popping bees. Where in that range do you want to be? If say all of them, then you need a master volume or power scaling feature built in. I find most stomp boxes sound better to me than most master volume circuits. Power scaling is a patented technology, so most amps that have it are a little pricier to cover the overhead. An other option is to get something used and abused like an old Marshall 50 watt, or a Sovtek MIG 50 and have it done up with a good quality master volume. I would likely be making the pawnshops part of my regular schedule. New stuff is new stuff, but I don't know how good a value it is. You might find an old Gibson amp or a Supro, and never look back. Best sounding rock amp I've owned was a Trace Elliot Speed Twin 100, and I've owned a lot vintage 100 watt Marshall's. Who knows, maybe a Kemper is on the horizon. 
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Re: Year of the Marshall...
2015/02/10 15:49:24
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Master volume is a must.
I'm hoping to be able to play reasonably loud to record guitars.
I pick the 800 because it's the last of the Marshall's I'm familiar with, and it's closer to what I want than the predecessors.
As for the successors, I really don't know them - I would expect that they offer higher and higher gain, which I don't really need.
DSL is the one that seems to come back.
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Re: Year of the Marshall...
2015/02/10 16:08:36
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I have a little Class Five amp that is pretty much dimed most of the time. I like blending it with a little Fender Pro Jr. that's on 3 and maybe a tiny bit of crunch from an OD pedal.
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Re: Year of the Marshall...
2015/02/22 19:30:20
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And after much browsing, I'm thinking that this will be the most likely candidate. http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/DSL100MX412A I'd never really shopped for head+cabs, so the price tag on this one surprised me - I wasn't expecting to find something new for such a low price. I still have to test it in person - and to wait for the budget, but, things are looking' good.
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Re: Year of the Marshall...
2015/02/22 21:07:22
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☄ Helpfulby Rain 2015/02/22 21:33:51
Realize that cab is NOT the current 1960a slant cab with the regular/currently used G12t-75 Celestions in it....if that matters. That [1960] cab alone retails new for about $800...used about $350-600. I think the MX cab is also a tad smaller in size, ..not that that really matters.
The DSL line is Marshall's lower priced line as well.
That's why this rig is priced at a level that seems inexpensive, for what you're getting.
That said, it probably sounds great, but I've never played thru that rig. That price is also much lower than finding a JCM head and the 1960 cab used.
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Re: Year of the Marshall...
2015/02/22 22:20:30
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RAIN,
you should find and try a Dr Z Remedy.
just sayin'
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Re: Year of the Marshall...
2015/02/22 23:13:03
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I had a JCM800 with a 1960 slant 4x12 cabinet. Lost the 800 in the pawn shop back in the '90s (long story). Now I have a Class 5 head with the 1960. I like it, especially after replacing the EL84 with an NOS Mullard, and putting in a couple long plate RCA 12AX7's.
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Re: Year of the Marshall...
2015/02/23 09:46:01
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RAIN... you really need to STOP. You know how easily influenced I am. You may not know that I have always wanted a 100w Marshall. I used to have a 50w JMP head. It was modded and I never really liked it but I've wanted a Vintage/Modern or the two channel JTM (the newest amp) for several years. I have an EL-34 JTM-60 1x12 combo now but it doesn't quite nail that plexi vibe. Have you checked out the Fargen amps? They have some awesome amps that really nail the Marshall thing but have manageable volume controls. They have a Mini-Plex, one that is a ittle bigger, then they have a nice 800 series clone. I think it is the Olde 800. I don't need a 100w 4x12 Marshall monster but it don't stop me from wanting one... but the Mini-Plex, I could actually use! So... STOP IT... OK?  J
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Re: Year of the Marshall...
2015/02/23 14:25:47
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☄ Helpfulby Rain 2015/02/23 18:35:39
I've played through a JCM800 for over 30 years. Great head, all original tubes, 100w. It still has that incredible Marchall sound that can't be replicated. But with a 4x12 half stack slanted cab, it just became a bear to lug around. I wound up with a MA100C. A 2x12 combo, 100w. It's there Asian version of the same amp. Same engineering, but all Asian parts. It is an incredible amp for the money. Same great Marshall tone, power and attitude. I use it on gigs and some recordings.
But for practice and most recording situation, nothing beats my Fender Champ 12. 12w, 12 inch speaker. Super clean channel with treble boost and a hard gain with a very smooth overdrive.
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Re: Year of the Marshall...
2015/02/23 16:28:23
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I've already spent more than the price of that rig on amps and sims in the last few years, and I could probably spend 100k on amps - Orange, Vox, Fender, Boogie, or any sound-alike - only to end up still wanting a Marshall.
I've learned that I was better off buying what I want in the first place - otherwise, I'm wasting money on alternatives only to end up realizing that I should have bought the real thing in the first place.
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Re: Year of the Marshall...
2015/02/23 16:44:44
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☄ Helpfulby Rain 2015/02/23 18:35:33
Rain
I've already spent more than the price of that rig on amps and sims in the last few years, and I could probably spend 100k on amps - Orange, Vox, Fender, Boogie, or any sound-alike - only to end up still wanting a Marshall.
I've learned that I was better off buying what I want in the first place - otherwise, I'm wasting money on alternatives only to end up realizing that I should have bought the real thing in the first place.
Yes, and what you said earlier, (good advise) >>> I still have to test it in person - and to wait for the budget, but, things are looking' good. Use the internet to research and narrow it down to a select line of amps/speakers (as you are doing now), and hope the music store has them in stock (to test)! Good luck, I'm sure you'll find something ideal  My prefers are along the lines of Vox or Marshall and no less than 50 watts... unless I have a man cave (studio) buried deep under a Rock, totally isolated from any sign of civilization, yeah I'm still working on that. Oh well.
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Re: Year of the Marshall...
2015/02/24 10:08:48
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Rain
I've already spent more than the price of that rig on amps and sims in the last few years, and I could probably spend 100k on amps - Orange, Vox, Fender, Boogie, or any sound-alike - only to end up still wanting a Marshall.
I've learned that I was better off buying what I want in the first place - otherwise, I'm wasting money on alternatives only to end up realizing that I should have bought the real thing in the first place.
..shouldn't have skipped my post...
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Re: Year of the Marshall...
2015/02/24 11:40:08
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Naturally, "my" solution would be to get the Orange, Vox, Fender, Boogie AND the Marshall. (Along with an Egnator, Bogner, Peavey, Soldano, Sovtek, VHT, etc., etc., etc....) *Sigh...* 
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Re: Year of the Marshall...
2015/02/24 15:53:19
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Rain
I've already spent more than the price of that rig on amps and sims in the last few years, and I could probably spend 100k on amps - Orange, Vox, Fender, Boogie, or any sound-alike - only to end up still wanting a Marshall.
I've learned that I was better off buying what I want in the first place - otherwise, I'm wasting money on alternatives only to end up realizing that I should have bought the real thing in the first place.
..shouldn't have skipped my post...
About trying a Dr Z Remedy?
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Re: Year of the Marshall...
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