Semi_Perfect
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Unsure if I should get Sonar Platinum
I have a Maschine Studio controller running Maschine 2.2, NI Audio 6 interface, and would like to use it within a DAW.. I have a old version of Sonar 3 Producer and noticed I can upgrade to the new one for a great price. Heres my worries.. I was in Guitar Center yesterday and salesmen there said Cakewalk buggy and considered to be a mid-level program compared to Ableton and ProSonus.. Im not in the position to say I agree with that statement given all I've ever used was Sonar BUT if I'm going to spend money, I want to do so on the right program. I want a program that offers great MIDI capabilities/features . I'm also looking at getting a MIDI keyboard to use with a DAW and would like feedback on whats best to use with Sonar should I go that route. With that said, Im not trying to be a big producer, in fact it's been 7 years since I've dabbled with a DAW/music..
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Re: Unsure if I should get Sonar Platinum
2015/02/13 18:42:09
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Sonar is the great grandchild of one of the best early sequencers, and has not gone entirely to the dark side as it morphed into a sound recording application. I think you will find that it is one of the best implementations of MIDI and softsynth host applications available at any price. For purely sound recording and editing, there may be better, but for the price, Sonar is likely to give you the best bang for the buck on MIDI, and good value on audio only.
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Re: Unsure if I should get Sonar Platinum
2015/02/13 18:44:11
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2015/02/14 10:26:05
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Re: Unsure if I should get Sonar Platinum
2015/02/13 18:47:52
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Welcome to the forums! Take your time. There are plenty of folks here that can and will help you make the right choice. I started with Guitar Tracks Pro back in 03' I think. I've upgraded ever since. Now I use Sonar Platinum. I have friends with Pro Tools, and Ableton, etc and for me I chose Sonar.People here are at all levels. Remember that the guy you got your info from worked at Guitar Center. That's all I'm going to say about that. Give the forums as much specs on your system so they can give you the best information. There are no dumb questions so don't feel intimidated. We all started exactly where you are. Be sure to check out all the forums here and Have Fun!
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Re: Unsure if I should get Sonar Platinum
2015/02/13 18:52:09
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There are demos available for both Studio One and Ableton Live. Live is a very different program compared to SONAR, I use it for live performance and use SONAR in the studio. Studio One is a well-crafted program but I find SONAR far more versatile. I don't think the Studio One designers would disagree with that, they targeted Studio One very specifically. However its CD assembly page is really good. I use it instead of CD Architect. As to the Guitar Center guy...I'd bet he hasn't used SONAR or if he has, it was a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away. SONAR is far from a mid-level program. Even the least expensive version has very impressive technology.
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Re: Unsure if I should get Sonar Platinum
2015/02/13 18:53:17
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Semi_Perfect I have a Maschine Studio controller running Maschine 2.2, NI Audio 6 interface, and would like to use it within a DAW.. I have a old version of Sonar 3 Producer and noticed I can upgrade to the new one for a great price. Heres my worries.. I was in Guitar Center yesterday and salesmen there said Cakewalk buggy and considered to be a mid-level program compared to Ableton and ProSonus.. Im not in the position to say I agree with that statement given all I've ever used was Sonar BUT if I'm going to spend money, I want to do so on the right program. I want a program that offers great MIDI capabilities/features . I'm also looking at getting a MIDI keyboard to use with a DAW and would like feedback on whats best to use with Sonar should I go that route. With that said, Im not trying to be a big producer, in fact it's been 7 years since I've dabbled with a DAW/music..
Mid level? That is ridiculous. Clearly he knows nothing. Sonar Platinum Cubase and Logic are the big three in DAWs you can add PT to it if you like. But PT was only good with its own hardware for DSP support. It may still be best that way, I don't know. But for native support and features plus OMF support its the big three that are really pro quality. If a DAW does not support OMF I can't see how anyone can call it pro.
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Re: Unsure if I should get Sonar Platinum
2015/02/13 19:01:10
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☄ Helpfulby swamptooth 2015/02/13 19:14:41
I'm guessing the Guitar Center guy isn't speaking from personal experience but more as the head of a long chain of Chinese Whispers which probably originated somewhere on Gearslutz
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Re: Unsure if I should get Sonar Platinum
2015/02/13 19:01:52
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Pretty much all DAWs have the same core capabilities and vary in functionality and workflow. Specific questions will yield better answers/advice, since simply throwing out a brand name and asking what people think will pull the full gambit (in any industry). A good start would be to ask you what genre of music are you looking to record? How are you "foreseeing" your workflow? As far as "bang for the buck" it is pretty widely accepted that SONAR ranks very highly on such a list (if it existed).
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Semi_Perfect
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Re: Unsure if I should get Sonar Platinum
2015/02/13 19:10:17
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thanks for the info guys.. sounds like Sonar is way to go.. for $199 for producer as upgrade is reasonable. The guy at Guitar Center said BitWig, Presonus, and Ableton were the 3 he would recommend.. he demoed Ableton for me, but it seemed quite nice but its a arm and a leg as for system specs i7-3.4 ghz, 3rd gen.. 16 GB Ram 256 SSD 2 TB 7200 RPM drive Nvidia GT 670 2 GB I'm using two M-Audio Studiophile BX5's for monitors I have a Ronald Fantom XG synth but it so bulky, id rather not use as midi keyboard controller thus, wanting a smaller controller.
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Re: Unsure if I should get Sonar Platinum
2015/02/13 19:12:03
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When I bought a copy of sonar at gc the guy behind the counter looked at the box and said "wow... That's cakewalk?" With a puzzled look on his face. Pretty funny... And speaking from the perspective as a former gc salesperson (22? Years ago) if we can sell the more expensive product we will. GC here in sf has some good people in the pro audio dept but I would never go into it blindly. Always build a relationship. That being said, i would take Craig's advice and demo other programs as well. One thing to remember is that many midi keyboards come with lite versions of ableton live that you can try. Sonar is a joy to use and very intuitive. Not mid-level at all. There should be a demo soon as well. The upgrade price can't be beat. Since you've been using maschine studio, bear in mind that the creation process is significantly different but not so much that you'll get lost.
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Re: Unsure if I should get Sonar Platinum
2015/02/13 19:27:02
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☄ Helpfulby mettelus 2015/02/14 07:34:23
I should also mention that SONAR's Matrix View is a lot like Ableton's Session View. I used to ReWire Live into SONAR but since the Matrix View was added, haven't needed to do that any more. Even for live performances with Ableton Live, I do all the prep work in SONAR for the loops I'm going to use. Disclaimer: I have a very friendly relationship with Ableton (I wrote the manual for Version 2), and we stay in touch. We don't have a "competition" thing going because they also feel that SONAR is a very different kind of program. We already collaborate on one level; TASCAM hardware bundles Live and SONAR so Mac users are covered.
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Re: Unsure if I should get Sonar Platinum
2015/02/13 19:32:42
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☄ Helpfulby Guitarmech111 2015/02/14 11:20:07
Yeah, Guitar Center - that's the center of musical intelligence for the known universe. I never could get out of that place quick enough.
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Semi_Perfect
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Re: Unsure if I should get Sonar Platinum
2015/02/13 23:14:00
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mettelus Pretty much all DAWs have the same core capabilities and vary in functionality and workflow. Specific questions will yield better answers/advice, since simply throwing out a brand name and asking what people think will pull the full gambit (in any industry). A good start would be to ask you what genre of music are you looking to record? How are you "foreseeing" your workflow?
Good point and I'll try to explain as best I can.. I started out on Sonar 2 and then 3.. I would say I knew enough to make simple songs using various basic effects and with so editing knowledge.. I made several songs and a couple turned out decent but compared to you guys I'm sure you'd rip me a new one.. With that said my genre I like is soft rock, techno, house.. So my workflow idea is to use my Maschine Studio to lay out my drum tracks via VST on Sonar.. I would then like to layer the tracks using a combo of instruments from Maschine and avilabke virtual instruments from Sonar.. For techno and house I plan to use voice samples.. Either sliced up or whole.. I will purchase a MIDI keyboard to handle most melodic parts and doing some real time effects alterations while recording.. I'm thinking Axiom or a AKAI MPK249 I want to try to keep most everything on a MIDI level with straight audio coming from vocals I record or from sampled wavs.. As a long term goal, I would love to be produced but would also love to compete in music contests. lastly I want a DAW that is expandable and will be around a long time.. I don't want to have to get a 4 year sound engineering degree to figure out how to use a DAW. I'm sure video tutorials could be my best friend or a good book
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Re: Unsure if I should get Sonar Platinum
2015/02/14 02:03:41
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☄ Helpfulby mettelus 2015/02/14 07:33:41
Sonar is a great package and will add some useful stuff to your arsenal. I'm assuming you're familiar enough with Maschine to realize it's a bit of a hassle to use linearly instead with its own patterns.
Ableton is a nice songwriting tool especially for house and techno and really anything pattern based. One of the main drawbacks as a DAW is that it lacks good comping features (for audio multi-takes). If this is not something you care about very much I agree with the sales person that it could be a good option for you. Like Craig, I have both and use them for different purposes. Since you can get Sonar at such a good price, I would probably start there and then find a demo or light version of Live to toy around with and see if it's useful to add to your setup.
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Re: Unsure if I should get Sonar Platinum
2015/02/14 02:57:24
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All I can add really is the fact that I wasn't sure about upgrading. Now I'm positive I'm glad I did.
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Re: Unsure if I should get Sonar Platinum
2015/02/14 04:58:53
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If you are a pro musician going in and out of pro studios you'll probably just end up with a Mac & Pro Tools... simply because that's all you're likely to see being used. Home use... the market is awash with DAW's at every price bracket. If you're a Mac user then you won't be using Sonar/Cakewalk. For the normal population the likes of Sonar, Cubase, etc. have always been popular. I only use Sonar because I've had various incarnations since Sonar 2. If you're undecided just download the various trial versions of all the major players. I did many years ago and went with Sonar.
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Re: Unsure if I should get Sonar Platinum
2015/02/14 09:09:58
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PH68 If you are a pro musician going in and out of pro studios you'll probably just end up with a Mac & Pro Tools... simply because that's all you're likely to see being used. Not necessarily. I tracked all the classical recordings I engineered or produced in a Pro Tools studio, then immediately took the WAV files and brought them into SONAR for mixing/editing. This is not common, but it's not as rare as you might think...I know quite a few engineers who move files out of PT into their "usual" DAW. If you're a Mac user then you won't be using Sonar/Cakewalk. I have a few friends who consider a Mac running Bootcamp as "the best Windows machine" and several of them use SONAR. Again, not common, but it happens. If you're undecided just download the various trial versions of all the major players. I did many years ago and went with Sonar. I agree strongly about trial versions. They make it easy to see if you have "chemistry" with a particular program,
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Re: Unsure if I should get Sonar Platinum
2015/02/14 10:21:59
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2015/02/14 10:31:44
Semi_Perfect I was in Guitar Center yesterday
There's the first mistake.
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Re: Unsure if I should get Sonar Platinum
2015/02/14 10:26:08
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Semi_Perfect I don't want to have to get a 4 year sound engineering degree to figure out how to use a DAW.
Don't forget the Windows and computer technician degrees. It's amazing how many hours can fly by fiddling with computer related issues that have nothing to do with music. Sound engineering and computer science are very much a part of using a DAW, at least until you reach some stable state of experience and operation. And even then you're still at risk from OS changes and updates to your DAW software.
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