jcwalsh1961
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Pro Tools Export/Import
Can I export a Pro Tools compatible format if the studio uses PT? And vice versa.
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gswitz
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Re: Pro Tools Export/Import
2015/02/15 07:42:45
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OMF files are one of the ways projects are shared. You can also just export the WAV files. The short answer is yes.
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Re: Pro Tools Export/Import
2015/02/15 07:51:11
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Have a look at http://aatranslator.com.au that might help out in different situations between daws. The last time I read up on it OMF do not include midi though, big drawback. Basically audio tracks and clips only. So far I have not seen a single daw that save midi clips - as they do with audio clips - on disk. Midi is always somewhere obscured it seems.
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jcwalsh1961
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Re: Pro Tools Export/Import
2015/02/15 10:01:21
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Thank you all. I am using a Roland FA-08 and can export 16 seperate wav files of which I would for the majority use Sonar. But its great to know I could use them on PT as well. Thanks for the feedback and tips it really sold me on purchasing Sonar.
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gswitz
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Re: Pro Tools Export/Import
2015/02/15 13:56:50
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StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen. I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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jcwalsh1961
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Re: Pro Tools Export/Import
2015/02/15 14:04:19
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Thanks for the info. Was hoping there was some standard out there. I used it with Avid Media Composer for Video. Didn't realize it supports audio.
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Re: Pro Tools Export/Import
2015/02/15 22:12:18
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☄ Helpfulby John T 2015/02/15 22:38:56
I've tracked a lot of sessions in Pro Tools studios and edited in SONAR. Rather than messing with OMF, I just took the raw WAV files, brought them into SONAR, and did all the editing/mixing in SONAR. That way I didn't need the OMF parameters showing pan etc. I'm not interested in transferring parameters between applications, only files, so I can use the unique attributes of the target program. If you transfer right after tracking (capture), then all you really need is broadcast WAV files.
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jcwalsh1961
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Re: Pro Tools Export/Import
2015/02/15 22:36:28
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Thanks for the tip. I think thats the way to go for me. I appreciate the help and your experience. I am recently purchased an FA-08 and can export each of 16 wav tracks. So hearing your advice gives me good vibes. Thanks for your time.
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John T
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Re: Pro Tools Export/Import
2015/02/15 22:39:36
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Yeah, OMF is a really underdeveloped standard. I get projects handed to me in OMF sometimes (one just this last week in fact), and I don't object to that, but the first thing I do with them is go and set everything flat as if I'd just got the WAVs. It's really poor at handling anything more sophisticated than the raw audio.
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Re: Pro Tools Export/Import
2015/02/16 00:47:51
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☄ Helpfulby dubdisciple 2015/02/17 15:12:30
If your PT session has lots of clips that don't start at the beginning then I think OMF becomes a valid solution. It's just a tool that you would use if you've tracked things in PT and are beginning to mix in Sonar. Just make sure you note the tempo in PT as Sonar will ask what it is when opening the OMF file. I've done this and everything lines up perfectly in Sonar. In fact, I was excited how easy it was to move from one Program to the other. Now if you've done a full mix in PT and want to move that into Sonar... that's a bit tricky. It can be done if each plugin you've used in PT is available as a VST and you're able to use the plugin itself to save the preset. You'll have to match the panning law to what was used in your PT session. Any VSTi's will have to be printed beforehand... and all automation, panning and levels will have to be done by hand... if you have a bunch of automation then it starts getting to the point of asking why you would switch programs? If you're mixing someone else's project then I don't see why you wouldn't just start from scratch anyways... The benefit of using OMF over simply importing Broadcast waves is that OMF will remember the track layout whereas importing Broadcast waves will put each clip on a different track. For example, if you have a guitar solo during the intro and then again at the bridge and they are two separate clips - Importing waves will put them on separate tracks while OMF will put them on the same track. This isn't an issue if you only have single clips per track... but if there are a bunch of overdubs in Pro Tools, then I think OMF is definitely the way to go.
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Falk
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Re: Pro Tools Export/Import
2015/02/16 04:43:20
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☄ Helpfulby finalymetten 2015/02/16 18:09:01
I've done multiple complex orchestral sessions (with different sections, layering, etc adding up to over 140 tracks in some cases) recorded in both Pro Tools and Nuendo, and done both OMF as well as simply importing broadcast wavs depending on the situation. Some best-practices for mass-importing wavs in SONAR: - Make sure your recording DAW is set to timestamp the wavs when tracking. That way when importing to SONAR you can have them automatically spot to the right place even if it doesn't start at origin. You may need to set your SONAR project so origin is 1:00:00:00 in SMPTE instead of 0:00:00:00 so it doesn't import 1 hour into the session. - When dealing with multiple takes of multitrack recordings, it's a good idea to import one take, do some basic volume/panning/etc., put all the tracks in a folder, then save as a track template. That way whenever you want to import the same setup in e.g. a different project, or even the same one assuming doubling layers or whatever, you can just create another instance via loading that track template, then "Import Audio" on the first track in the folder and grab additional takes. - When browsing hundreds of audio files created in the original DAW's audio folder, remember that sorting by "Date Modified" will almost always give you a very neat way to browse individual takes of a multitrack session. Also within each individual take, both Pro Tools and Nuendo will create/modify the files in a multitrack in a certain order, which is then reflected in the "Date Modified" sorting in explorer, which makes your life easy when importing considering the above bullet point about track templates. With a good (handwritten or otherwise) take sheet with actual real-life timestamps (e.g. time of day, not place in session) it makes finding the exact take you want to import extremely fast. - If for whatever reason timestamped importing fails to put the clips in the right place, a good fallback is, if tracking to a concrete tempo map, to always start a recording on a downbeat of a certain measure, which is then noted in the take sheet. Turn off all DAW features that may mess with this (e.g. anything that pre-records, like punch-in for Pro Tools, or the pre-roll in Nuendo, since both can shift the start point of the recorded audio data from the intended downbeat)
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jcwalsh1961
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Re: Pro Tools Export/Import
2015/02/16 09:57:26
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This is all really invaluable information. You have saved me hours of experimentation. No doubt your experiences didn't come easy as it sounds like there is a lot to more consider then meets the eye and some really complex discoveries that were made. Thank you for sharing your experiences. This is an amazing forum thanks to users like yourselves.
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Re: Pro Tools Export/Import
2015/02/16 10:15:32
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Falk and theheliosequence, that is great info. Although I was not planning on doing any more tips in my Tip of the Week thread, your info is too valuable to have it fall off the forum front page. I've done a guest tip before. Do you mind if I take your posts, combine/edit them a little bit, and add them to the thread (with attribution, of course)?
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Falk
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Re: Pro Tools Export/Import
2015/02/16 10:34:15
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Not at all! Some of the most recent stuff we've done that is already released to public are the music to Final Fantasy XV trailers. Recorded in Pro Tools, mixed pretty much in-the-box in SONAR in December. There was some pretty complex layering and take comping going on so it was a .wav import (as opposed to OMF) edit: Ah, linking disabled. Whoops.
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Re: Pro Tools Export/Import
2015/02/16 15:59:06
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Falk Not at all! Some of the most recent stuff we've done that is already released to public are the music to Final Fantasy XV trailers. Recorded in Pro Tools, mixed pretty much in-the-box in SONAR in December. There was some pretty complex layering and take comping going on so it was a .wav import (as opposed to OMF)
Nice! I'll have to look for those trailers...
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gswitz
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Re: Pro Tools Export/Import
2015/02/16 19:15:47
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StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen. I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Falk
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Re: Pro Tools Export/Import
2015/02/16 19:18:35
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There's another more recent one too from Jump Festa 2014. (And stuff that I'm not at liberty to mention right now)
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theheliosequence
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Re: Pro Tools Export/Import
2015/02/16 19:38:30
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Anderton Falk and theheliosequence, that is great info. Although I was not planning on doing any more tips in my Tip of the Week thread, your info is too valuable to have it fall off the forum front page. I've done a guest tip before. Do you mind if I take your posts, combine/edit them a little bit, and add them to the thread (with attribution, of course)?
Of course! Happy to help... there is another new thread about tempo and OMF that just started... maybe some good info will come out of that as well?
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gswitz
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Re: Pro Tools Export/Import
2015/02/17 08:52:46
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StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen. I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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dubdisciple
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Re: Pro Tools Export/Import
2015/02/17 15:20:05
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As pointed out, the benefit of OMF (and the primary reason i put up with its annoyances) is moving tracking sessilns that have lots of clips in specific places. Sure, you could export wav files, but you would have go in and cut/trim in many cases and would lose some valuable visual cues. I have done both ways and OMF saves a lot of time when it works. The key for me is to make sure my tracking session has no processing other than light trimming of clips applied. Most of the time my imported sessions look very similar in layout to the original project from other DAW and it seems to take Logic much quicker to spit out an OMF than to spit out a wav for each track.
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Re: Pro Tools Export/Import
2015/05/24 18:37:24
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So... any advice on dealing with importing takes on multiple playlists (From PT...) into Sonar AND into appropriate lanes for comping and editing in Sonar? -Importing individual files places each take onto a new track... -If I manually create take lanes and shift+drag them into the appropriate lanes, they cause any takes in other lanes over which they are dragged to be modified... (and this is rather tedious... even if it worked properly) -If I try to drag them in from the browser directly into a lane, their timestamps are overwritten by wherever they are dropped... -OMF doesn't seem to bring in the alternate playlists, just the main one... I am just getting started with PT but I am quickly noticing that many of the things that are easy in SONAR are tedious or absent all together in PT. ( i.e Clip tempo maps and the ability to copy clip tempo to session from a kick track... transients to MIDI... or Melodyne ARA to MIDI... and now drum replacer? (on a side note I am also hesitant to purchase Trigger as I hear that the MIDI export is not sample accurate... is this true?). I am working with a group that is doing recordings in a Big Studio and obviously the Sessions are all in PT. I have PT 12 so I can open/modify/export in anyway necessary to help get multiple takes cleanly into SPlat. I would like to be able to use all the tools I have in Sonar to do the edits and comping... instead of doing all that before bringing it in. Thanks for the help, Lee
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John T
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Re: Pro Tools Export/Import
2015/05/24 19:12:11
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gswitz I've heard OMF referred to as other-mo-fo's file.
Ha, excellent.
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