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[Solved] No mastering reverb on the mastered mixed down WAV file

I use Izotope Ozone 5 for mastering. It has a mastering reverb as many of you know and I've been able to get some nice reverb sounds for my mastering.
I have not been able to get the reverb to transfer to the mixed down 16bit stereo WAV file as it is not coming through on the burned cds for the Cakewalk CD burning software in XP1.
I also have been trying to find the "Main out" for the Stereo mixed down track to send to the mastering software in the main out track which was suggested to me by all I can find is MASTER outs and outs from my MOTU 896 HD listed in the outputs of the stereo mixed down track.
Any suggestions?
I really need to get this reverb on these files and i will be all done with this project.
 
Thank you in advance.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: No mastering reverb on the mastered mixed down WAV file 2015/02/18 20:58:08 (permalink)
MASTER outs...  I assume you mean the bus called Master.
 
All your tracks and busses should end up routed to the Master bus.  Route the Master bus output to the MOTU outputs that have your monitors connected.  The ONLY thing going to the MOTU output should be the Master bus.
Your mastering plugins go in the FX bin of the Master bus. 
When you export the audio to create the 16/44 WAV file, select only the Master bus as the source.

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Re: No mastering reverb on the mastered mixed down WAV file 2015/02/19 07:19:52 (permalink)
I play the mastered tracks through my studio monitors and they contain all the mastering INCLUDING the reverb.
When I export them to WAV file and burn a CD the reverb is gone.
 
All mastering is in the Master track bin and nothing in the mixdown track.
Do I need to select entire mix and just send it all to the master channel with all but mixdown track muted?
I suppose if I used the ruler and darkened only the mixdown channel this might work?
 
I'm still confused.
 
Thank you for any further clarifications.
 
 
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Re: No mastering reverb on the mastered mixed down WAV file 2015/02/19 07:21:09 (permalink)
What Karyn said.
 
Also, if you mute your master bus, you should hear nothing.
 
If you DO hear anything you need to check your routing

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Re: No mastering reverb on the mastered mixed down WAV file 2015/02/19 07:27:24 (permalink)
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All mastering is in the Master track bin and nothing in the mixdown track.


I don't understand what you mean by "Mixdown track".

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Re: No mastering reverb on the mastered mixed down WAV file 2015/02/19 07:51:33 (permalink)
I mix all my tracks and bounce them together to a separate stereo track via "Track Bounce". I mute all the performance tracks and select the stereo track only useing the ruler to scale that stereo track's content only as a track source and use it as my mixdown master stereo track and it is sent to the master track. I use all mastering Ozone in that Master effects bin.
It sounds really nice.
But the burned CDS have no reverb.
Should I be exporting these individual stereo mixdowns to a separate project file and then import them to their own mixdown project file(s) and them apply my mastering software to each individual file?
That seems rather cumbersome. But I am more than willing to do it if it will solve this problem.
 
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Re: No mastering reverb on the mastered mixed down WAV file 2015/02/19 07:53:05 (permalink)
Most of us setup a "master buss" where every track and buss goes to it. We call it master because its the main or the buss that has all the audio going to it. If you select it when you export your mix the exported will contain the full audio.
 
Use the export dialog under file in the top menu.  Select buss and master if that is the name of the buss that all audio goes through. You can also use your main outs as the master buss for export. It will do the same thing. 
 
This is the simplest way to always have an export that will have everything in your mix. 
 
It is very important that you have all you sub buses and auxiliary buses output to the master buss. This assumes that tracks that don't go to a sub buss will go to the master buss. 

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Re: No mastering reverb on the mastered mixed down WAV file 2015/02/19 08:11:42 (permalink)
Shepoid,
 
Not at my DAW now but isn't there something when you export that asks you to select effects?  I believe its on the right hand side near the bottom there is a menu.  Did you look at that?  What did you have checked?

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Re: No mastering reverb on the mastered mixed down WAV file 2015/02/19 08:21:49 (permalink)
mrniel2:
I will check for that select feature for effects but I cannot get back to it till tomorrow.
That looks like something I may have missed.
I'm using Sonar XP-1 Producer. Is that the same DAW you are working in too?
Do you use Ozone Izotope as well?
 
 
 
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Re: No mastering reverb on the mastered mixed down WAV file 2015/02/19 09:50:16 (permalink)
When bouncing tracks be sure to carefully check that pop-up dialog... There are a lot of options there including sources, FX, etc. If your mixdown is not what you expect, try another mix down and check that carefully.

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Re: No mastering reverb on the mastered mixed down WAV file 2015/02/19 14:09:41 (permalink)
Some good advice and I'll re state the important stuff
 
Always check your routing by muting the Master buss. 
You should hear silence. If not look for things you inserted that defaulted to your interface directly. Or your effects busses. There's even a global toggle under "tracks" you can use. 
If your mix sounds the way you like then your going to export it. 
First I use "select none" from edit or the crtr/shift/A 
Some use " select all" ctrl A but I've had that fail a few times. Just me. 
Then go to File/ export audio. 
The default should include the all the proper settings with only one change I make, and that's I change 32 bit to 16 bit for CD. 
 

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Re: No mastering reverb on the mastered mixed down WAV file 2015/02/21 05:04:19 (permalink)
I cannot get anything to register from the master channel.
I do not have any singnals going to any busses. This is simple acoustic music I'm doing. No vocals, No drums, noMidi stuff. Just played into a mic, recorded it and that's it. No effects on any recorded channels, no eqing. I would think this Cakewalk XP-1 could handle this. But it is not.
All recorded tracks are going to "Master"
I do NOT have as an output selection "Master" in the master track. I have listed the MOTU Main outs, Output 1&2 and so on.
I hear the mastering effects when I put them in the effects bin of the master channel but they are not registering as signal going through the OZONE VST Izotope 5's signal indication.
I put the Ozone Izotope 5 into the mixed down stereo channel's effects bin  and I see itgetting signal AND hear it as well.
I think my mastering would be cleaner if I were mastering from the master channel's output rather than from the stereo mixed down channel that is going TO the master. Rather then the other way round which is what the Cakewalk software is forcing me to do at this point.
I cannot seem to find any other way to do this and the results are no as clean sounding as i need them to be.
Please, any suggestions?
I'm really disheartened over this.
 
Thank you so much for all of the support.
 
I really hope this is something simple I am not seeing.
 
 
 
 
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Re: No mastering reverb on the mastered mixed down WAV file 2015/02/21 08:12:48 (permalink)
"I put the Ozone Izotope 5 into the mixed down stereo channel's effects bin"
 
When I mix down tracks, SONAR always defaults to the Main outs for the mixed down track's output. I have to select the Master bus manually.
Make sure that when you export or burn the track that you're selecting the right output. If it's going to the Mains and you export from the Master, and Ozone is on the mixed down track, the Master export won't have Ozone.

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Re: No mastering reverb on the mastered mixed down WAV file 2015/02/21 08:31:12 (permalink)
I am so confused by this.
 
Looking to try and install Sonar 7 and just use that as this X-1 seems unable to master from the master track.
My mixdown track's output is set to MASTER which means to the master channel?
  It seems pretty simple but  master track will not engage the OZONE from the export. I do hear it though. 
So confused by this.
 
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Re: No mastering reverb on the mastered mixed down WAV file 2015/02/21 08:47:05 (permalink)
sorry about the triple posting. I've been up almost all night trying to read stuff and figure this out.
Why is this so, so difficult?
 
 
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Re: No mastering reverb on the mastered mixed down WAV file 2015/02/21 08:52:23 (permalink)
Before you give up - try this.
 
1: Listen to the song to make sure everything is there.
2: Click on File > Export > Audio
3: At the lower right, choose the preset "what you hear"
4: Make sure your set to 44.1K 16 bit and export the wav file
 
Don't try burning a CD at this point, just make sure you can get the export right.
 
Personally - I would never apply FX at burn time within X1. I do from my other DAW that has a dedicated mastering section, but I wouldn't do it from X1. I'd save it as a finished WAV in the exact format it needs to be then burn from that. It eliminates a lot of possible problems, plus you have a WAV Master of the song... something that is always good to have for future conversions.
 
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post edited by codamedia - 2015/02/21 08:58:32

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Re: No mastering reverb on the mastered mixed down WAV file 2015/02/21 09:16:51 (permalink)
codamedia
 
thank you I will try the "What you hear" in the export section pop up. That's sounds like a good suggestion.
 
i am also my taking Sonar 7 to my studio and installing it as a possible secondary DAW solution too.
 
Thanks for the suggestion.
 
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Re: No mastering reverb on the mastered mixed down WAV file 2015/02/21 11:37:17 (permalink)
Your issue is your trying to master at mixdown, separate the two tasks. 

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Re: No mastering reverb on the mastered mixed down WAV file 2015/02/21 20:59:46 (permalink)
codamedia
 
your suggestion worked like a charm.
 
Clicked "What you hear real time audio" in the presets offering ans wham, signal to and from the Ozone into the export.
Also Cactus Music, I did separate the mix down from the mastering with a separate project file.
I use a mastering project file that I just import 24 bit mixdowns into and master them when I've exported the master files into a folder for the collection of songs I am including in a cd I delete the file and import the next tune and so on until the CD project is done.
But i needed to do the suggestion of codamedia in order to get it all to work correctly.
I think i will sleep a little better now.
 
Thank you all so much for your kind help and suggestions.
 
Even though it's sometimes buggy like i still like X1 Producer DAW a great deal. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: No mastering reverb on the mastered mixed down WAV file 2015/02/21 21:11:18 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby mettelus 2015/02/21 22:59:11
Please make sure you have Sonar X1d installed. It is available here.
http://www.cakewalk.com/S.../By-Product/SONAR%20X1

It is the most recent version of X1.

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Re: No mastering reverb on the mastered mixed down WAV file 2015/02/22 10:07:18 (permalink)
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your suggestion worked like a charm.
 
Clicked "What you hear real time audio" in the presets offering ans wham, signal to and from the Ozone into the export.

 
Glad to hear you got it all sorted out.
 
 

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