rodreb
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Tracks falling out of sync in Platinum
With a song playing, if I turn most any plugin on or off, my tracks fall out of sync with each other. I have to either stop / restart the transport or toggle the Plugin Delay Compensation button to get them to sync up again. So, basically, I can't turn any plugins on or off or add a new plugin while the song is playing.
Is this normal?? This behavior started for me with X3 and is also in Platinum. Sonar 8 was absolutely gapless playback for me.
Does this have anything to do with the Record and Playback Timing Master settings. Also, what should those be set at?
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Re: Tracks falling out of sync in Platinum
2015/02/22 04:31:01
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☄ Helpfulby gswitz 2015/02/22 07:09:54
Did you try bypass instead of deactivating plugin?
Plugin can then maintain delay as reported - but never really checked if that is happening.
Otherwise it sounds normal - unless there is an event that Sonar can listen too and automatically recalculate pdc. But do this while running audio without any crackle is difficult task.
I also notice difference between S8.x when saving project - never heard anything on audio.
But SA2015 there is a short interruption stutter when doing that.
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Re: Tracks falling out of sync in Platinum
2015/02/22 05:22:58
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i think this is "normal" behaviour, either, but maybe someone with deeper insight knowledge could clarify: I believe PDC is only computed when starting playback, not while transport is running, hence removing/adding/disabling a plugin in the FX bin while the song plays back will throw that track out of sync ...
bypassing is the thing to do, yet not all plugs allow that ... VST2 plugs need to have the functionality build-into the plug, with VST3 this in now available for every plugin
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Re: Tracks falling out of sync in Platinum
2015/02/22 05:45:51
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I've had it happen on occasion. I didn't think much of it at the time. Just restarted playback...
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Re: Tracks falling out of sync in Platinum
2015/02/22 06:51:56
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rodreb
With a song playing, if I turn most any plugin on or off, my tracks fall out of sync with each other. I have to either stop / restart the transport or toggle the Plugin Delay Compensation button to get them to sync up again. So, basically, I can't turn any plugins on or off or add a new plugin while the song is playing.
Is this normal?? This behavior started for me with X3 and is also in Platinum. Sonar 8 was absolutely gapless playback for me.
Does this have anything to do with the Record and Playback Timing Master settings. Also, what should those be set at?
hi i'm sorry to hear this.....is absolutely not normal behaviour. In my quad core w7 system i can turn on and off to hear the difference without any glicht or sync problems.... Did you turn off any wifi or cpu power mobo system???? Did you disabled any other audio driver?? Let me know more info on your spec Best
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Re: Tracks falling out of sync in Platinum
2015/02/22 09:51:46
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I sometimes get a bit of a "thump" if I bypass or switch on a plugin that substantially changes the gain on a track (some hardware fx can do the same thing), but other than that bypassing plugins is seamless.
Deactivating a plugin by deleting it while the transport is running can lead to a slight glitch, but the solution is to bypass rather than delete the plugin.
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rodreb
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Re: Tracks falling out of sync in Platinum
2015/02/22 14:10:05
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It does happen when just bypassing a plugin, also. Basically, as the track s playing, I am A/B'ing different plugins or plugin settings. This should be a basic, standard procedure as far as I know.
In Sonar 8 Producer this process was seamless (Occasionally a minor thump but, nothing major). Starting with X3 and now with Platinum, it's terrible. I guess I'll have to stop/restart playback any time I want to try out any plugin changes while mixing. That goes completely against the whole concept of being able to A/B the effects of different processors/ settings, though.
Now, sometimes it works fine. You just never know which plugins are going to do it and which aren't.
Also, most of my projects are 16 to 20 tracks and,I don't ever use a ton of plugins.
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Re: Tracks falling out of sync in Platinum
2015/02/22 15:35:46
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rodreb
Now, sometimes it works fine. You just never know which plugins are going to do it and which aren't.
The ones that have latency will, the ones that don't won't.
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Re: Tracks falling out of sync in Platinum
2015/02/23 08:30:33
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Also, you don't say if you are using Sonar 64bit with 32bit plugins. In my experience, this can also cause issues.
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Re: Tracks falling out of sync in Platinum
2015/02/23 08:44:21
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I posted a thread earlier about wave tracks slowing down as the song plays last week, but I've also noticed that tracks get out of sync when I do something simple like adjusting anything on the prochannel compressor over the mix bus.
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Re: Tracks falling out of sync in Platinum
2015/02/23 09:23:42
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- Try toggling the PDC button.
- As a test, press "E" to turn all your effects off. Play your project. Does anything go "out of sync" then?
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Re: Tracks falling out of sync in Platinum
2015/02/23 12:23:40
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It might help if you post more about your system at this point.
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bapu
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Re: Tracks falling out of sync in Platinum
2015/02/23 12:25:08
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Cactus Music
It might help if you post more about your system at this point.
Or even just more?
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rodreb
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Re: Tracks falling out of sync in Platinum
2015/02/24 23:51:03
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Thanks everyone for your concern and you help. Here's my system info....
HP H8-1256s
Core i5-2400 CPU 3.10 Ghz
8 GB RAM
Win 7 Home Premium SP1
NVIDIA GeForce GT 620
Echo Audiofire 12
Sonar Platinum (This happens in both 32 bit & 64 bit versions)
(This also happened for me in X3 Producer but NOT in Sonar 8)
As soon as I have time, I'll try some experiments with removing certain plug ins to see if I might be able to pin it down to one (or more) certain plug ins.
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Re: Tracks falling out of sync in Platinum
2015/02/25 07:07:21
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On my system, if I insert or delete any plugins whilst in play mode, it mostly causes a SONAR freeze. Now, while a song is playing, I can adjust parameters in my plugins....
Is the OP saying that he can't adjust settings in his VSTs while song is playing?
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Re: Tracks falling out of sync in Platinum
2015/02/25 10:02:24
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You will need to specify exactly how you are doing this.
are you using vst2 or vst3 plugins etc. When a plugin is deleted during playback and the there is delay in the circuit, we insert a placeholder pass thru behind the scenes to manage the delay.
When bypassing the plugin is similar unless the plugin supports soft bypass. In the latter case it is up to the plugin to handle delay when bypassed.
Please submit a small repro project file.
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rodreb
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Re: Tracks falling out of sync in Platinum
2015/02/26 00:04:51
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Seems to happen in VST2 and VST3. Also, it appears that it's only happening in the Pro Channel. Adding or removing a module causes all timing sync to fall apart. I thought it might have something to do with Drumagog but, I have tried turning Drumagog off and projects with no Drumagog and it still does it.
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