GotMetalBoy
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How to change Tempo but not Markers?
I'm using SONAR X3 Pro and I started recording at a Tempo of 182bpm and recorded most of the audio tracks and created Markers for all the different parts in the song. I then went to import a MIDI track but didn't realize the song was supposed to be at 91bpm and not 182bpm. Now when I try to change the Tempo to 91bpm, all the Markers are in the wrong places and late and the only way to fix them is to go into Marker View and divide the M:B:T by 2 which is way too time consuming. Also, one strange this is that after changing the Tempo from 182bpm to 91bpm, some of the audio tracks are no longer in time. Is there a way to change the Tempo but leave the Markers at the H:M:S:F bc the Markers stay at the M:B:T and are now all late?
post edited by GotMetalBoy - 2015/02/22 18:53:06
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Re: How to change Tempo but not Markers?
2015/02/22 18:45:36
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I'm lazy. I'd start a new project at 91bpm as set the markers (based on H:M:S:F) and them copy all audio from the old project to the new. If you have MIDI you're on your own. 
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Re: How to change Tempo but not Markers?
2015/02/22 18:50:39
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☄ Helpfulby GotMetalBoy 2015/02/22 20:27:21
No no, there's a way! You have to switch Track, Bus and Clips to Absolute Time from Musical Time on order to preserve clip locations and envelope information. On the track inspector, check the Clip and Track tabs for the TIME BASE setting. Tracks have to be set one at a time, but you can ctrl+a to select all clips and then ctrl+click the Time Base to Absolute. Next, open the Markers View and double click your markers and check the Absolute Time checkbox. Click select all + the lock icon in the Markers view to change this setting for all at once. Now, you should be able to change tempos with impunity, but remember ctrl+z if it doesn't go your way the first time. Also, view lots of the project in track view when you make the change so you can tell if it goes wrong.
post edited by gswitz - 2015/02/22 18:57:52
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GotMetalBoy
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Re: How to change Tempo but not Markers?
2015/02/22 19:38:44
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gswitz
No no, there's a way!
You have to switch Track, Bus and Clips to Absolute Time from Musical Time on order to preserve clip locations and envelope information.
On the track inspector, check the Clip and Track tabs for the TIME BASE setting.
Tracks have to be set one at a time, but you can ctrl+a to select all clips and then ctrl+click the Time Base to Absolute.
Next, open the Markers View and double click your markers and check the Absolute Time checkbox.
Click select all + the lock icon in the Markers view to change this setting for all at once.
Now, you should be able to change tempos with impunity, but remember ctrl+z if it doesn't go your way the first time. Also, view lots of the project in track view when you make the change so you can tell if it goes wrong.
Thank You! That worked! Should I set everything back from Absolute to Musical? The Markers all seem to be in the right places but the M:B:F are little off but I figure that's bc the mathematical calculation from Musical to Absolute isn't a perfect conversion.
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Re: How to change Tempo but not Markers?
2015/02/22 19:44:15
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Also, I didn't have any automation yet, so did I really need to change the Tracks and Buses to Absolute time or just the Clips?
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Re: How to change Tempo but not Markers?
2015/02/22 19:47:23
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☄ Helpfulby GotMetalBoy 2015/02/22 20:27:28
Just clips and markers.
Tracks and buses are for related automation (mainly track and bus automation).
StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen. I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: How to change Tempo but not Markers?
2015/02/22 19:49:03
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☄ Helpfulby GotMetalBoy 2015/02/22 20:27:30
Setting them back is only necessary if you want them to move with tempo changes.
StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen. I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: How to change Tempo but not Markers?
2015/02/22 20:03:50
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Is there a way to set Meter changes to Absolute time bc they stayed at the same Measure (M:B:T) after the Tempo change, so now they're incorrect. The mid section of the song has Meter changes from 4/4, 6/4 and 2/4.
Instead of changing the whole project, just to import a few MIDI clips, is there a way to just change the Tempo of the MIDI clip from 91bpm to 182bpm?
Thanks, Lou Sonar Platinum 12/01/2015; Line 6 UX2; Focusrite 6i6; MOTU USB MIDI Express XT; Roland TD-20 V-Drums; XLN Addictive Drums 2; Fractal Audio Axe-Fx II; FAMC LF+ Pro+; Mesa Boogie TriAxis, Stereo Simul-Class 2:90; Marshall 1960AV; Yamaha DXR12
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Re: How to change Tempo but not Markers?
2015/02/22 20:15:58
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☼ Best Answerby GotMetalBoy 2015/02/22 20:27:41
Only thing I know of are the things I've described.
StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen. I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: How to change Tempo but not Markers?
2015/02/22 20:33:20
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gswitz
Only thing I know of are the things I've described.
I was afraid you'd say that. Now I have a $150 feature request if it ever gets added to the new Sonar 2015 but I would gladly upgrade if they added a feature to just change tempo to half or double time and left everything else in Absolute time or if they added options to the Tempo change window with selection boxes for what should and shouldn't get changed, similar to the Project > Insert Time/Measure window.
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Re: How to change Tempo but not Markers?
2015/02/22 20:33:20
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gswitz
Only thing I know of are the things I've described.
I was afraid you'd say that. Now I have a $150 feature request if it ever gets added to the new Sonar 2015 but I would gladly upgrade if they added a feature to just change tempo to half or double time and left everything else in Absolute time or if they added options to the Tempo change window with selection boxes for what should and shouldn't get changed, similar to the Project > Insert Time/Measure window.
Thanks, Lou Sonar Platinum 12/01/2015; Line 6 UX2; Focusrite 6i6; MOTU USB MIDI Express XT; Roland TD-20 V-Drums; XLN Addictive Drums 2; Fractal Audio Axe-Fx II; FAMC LF+ Pro+; Mesa Boogie TriAxis, Stereo Simul-Class 2:90; Marshall 1960AV; Yamaha DXR12
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Re: How to change Tempo but not Markers?
2015/02/22 20:39:52
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Well, maybe Bapu's suggestion fits your case best.
StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen. I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: How to change Tempo but not Markers?
2015/02/23 10:35:41
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GotMetalBoy
Instead of changing the whole project, just to import a few MIDI clips, is there a way to just change the Tempo of the MIDI clip from 91bpm to 182bpm?
Load the SMF into a dedicated midi editor, change the tempo and save it to a new SMF file. Be aware though, that if the PPQ of the file is an odd number, some notes may go slightly out of time. I don't remember the name of freeware one I use for this. I'll post it when I get home and look, but I think you can probably find one via Google. :)
post edited by js516 - 2015/02/23 10:49:12
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Re: How to change Tempo but not Markers?
2015/02/23 10:54:50
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Once you have all the markers set to SMPTE time, the following trick will change the timeline tempo around both MIDI and Audio without affecting the absolute playback of either, and it's not necessary to change the Timebase on anything:
1. Snap the Now time to measure 183 (current tempo +1)
2. Hit shift+M to get Set Measure/Beat At Now dialog
3. Enter Measure 92 (target tempo +1)
4. OK, and SONAR will alter the initial tempo to make the specified measure hit the specified Now (absolute) time.
I haven't tried it with markers, but I think it should leave them alone if they're set to SMPTE.
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