mdages
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Metronom accenting for 12/8 feel
Is there a way to set the metronom to accent a 12/8 with litte bit more real triplet feel.
When I set to 12/8 the metronom counts:
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 1 2 3 4 ...
but what I want is:
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 1 2 3 4...
Sonar metronom seems not to have any pattern features like in Digital Performer or Offbeat Accenting like in some other DAW's.
And tips to achieve some other kind of accenting as only on the 1.
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Re: Metronom accenting for 12/8 feel
2015/02/24 12:11:29
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2015/02/25 15:54:29
Set it to 3/4 but play in 12/8?
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Re: Metronom accenting for 12/8 feel
2015/02/24 12:17:54
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Yes, that's exactly what it does. The emphasis is only on the first beat.
The best solution is to create your own click track. You can adjust the velocity to emphasize 1,4,7,etc in PRV.
I like to use wood blocks for hi/lo because it is a pleasant tone that generally doesn't get masked by other percussion.
You can also set the metronome to 3/4 and raise the BPM. This is what I usually do.
I do a lot of 6/8, so I set the metronome to 3/4 and double the BPM.
If you are recording live input (instruments or VSTi's) this works fine, but the measures will obviously be incorrectly shown on your screen.
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Re: Metronom accenting for 12/8 feel
2015/02/24 12:30:47
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I'd go for 4/4; 12/8 is basically four triplets every bar. But RobertB is right - create your own click/percussion track. I never use the metronome.
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Re: Metronom accenting for 12/8 feel
2015/02/24 13:49:51
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The accenting scheme Sonar uses for 12/8 is the "correct" one for classical music theory, 12 beats in a bar with the emphasis on the first then declining through the rest of the bar.
Blues and most African style 12/8 or English/Scots/Irish traditional 6/8 or 9/8 jigs are best handled by setting the time signature to 4/4, 2/4 or 3/4 then thinking in quaver triplets.
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Re: Metronom accenting for 12/8 feel
2015/02/24 15:38:19
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☄ Helpfulby mdages 2016/03/29 13:52:31
Lots of ways to skin a cat. Quickest way to get your 1-2-3 accents with the metronome would be to temporarily change time signature to 3/8 for recording, then change back to 12/8. (No need to change tempo.) Related to getting a triple feel with the beat: A visual shortcoming with Sonar is that Piano Roll View mostly shows grids in a duple feel--so 12/8 is 6 sets of 2, 6/8 is 3 sets of 2 (fine for, say, a South American feel ala Ginastera  ) which confuses me when I see it, so I ALSO turn off "Show vertical gridlines" when I'm recording with a triple feel. (3/8 and 3/4 look okay and "triplish"--Don't try 9/8!!!)
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Re: Metronom accenting for 12/8 feel
2015/02/24 15:53:09
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czyky
Lots of ways to skin a cat. Quickest way to get your 1-2-3 accents with the metronome would be to temporarily change time signature to 3/8 for recording, then change back to 12/8. (No need to change tempo.)
I like that idea. I'll have to try it.
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Re: Metronom accenting for 12/8 feel
2015/02/24 16:23:22
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I always make my own.
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Re: Metronom accenting for 12/8 feel
2015/02/24 17:25:50
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tlw
Blues and most African style 12/8 or English/Scots/Irish traditional 6/8 or 9/8 jigs are best handled by setting the time signature to 4/4, 2/4 or 3/4 then thinking in quaver triplets.
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Re: Metronom accenting for 12/8 feel
2015/02/24 17:52:21
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I would also try... - Creating a metronome bus to route the metronome to.
- Put a tempo sync'd delay in the fx bin of the metronome bus.
- Set your time signature to 4/4.
- Set your delay to do the triplets for you, adjusting the feedback so you only get three repeats. (The last one should get masked by the next actual metronome click.)
You should then get metronome clicks on 1, 4, 7 and 10, and delay clicks on the other beats.
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Re: Metronom accenting for 12/8 feel
2015/02/25 07:55:29
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Re: Metronom accenting for 12/8 feel
2015/02/25 09:08:09
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I'll give it a try to use 3/8 for recording. I'm not sure it will work with all my sampled instruments, especially with pre-recorded phrases synced to host bar and tempo.
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Re: Metronom accenting for 12/8 feel
2015/02/25 09:45:32
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4/4 triplets isn't always exactly correct. Contemporary 12/8 tempo is usually specified as beats per dotted quarter.
How does Sonar compute the specified tempo with 12/8?
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Re: Metronom accenting for 12/8 feel
2015/02/25 14:50:53
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What about notation later?
Can you fix that from whatever is recorded - divide it down?
4/4 with 8th note triplets or something?
Setting grid to 12/8 - is that going to be correct then?
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Nice if you can catch that as well from what you recorded.
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Re: Metronom accenting for 12/8 feel
2015/02/25 16:00:34
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A little more on the roll your own metronome idea I use:
I can manipulate the mix (volume and pan) of the clicks with envelopes, switch from 4/4 to 3/4 and have it follow my changes with appropriate accents on 1. That's done the same way with volume envelopes and multiple tracks.
At it's simplest it would be 4 tracks, 2 for the 4/4 and 2 for the 3/4.
More tracks can get into the "1 e and a 2 e" with accents on any part of the beat and also implying a 3 over 4 feel.
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Re: Metronom accenting for 12/8 feel
2015/02/25 17:55:39
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...Just Thought...
If you are just looking for a simple click track so you can set your grid to 12/8 without
worrying about midi lining up later;
1.Write a 12/8 hi hat loop with the accents you require in AD2 or Session Drummer
or whatever you prefer(AD2 and Session Drummer allow writing INSIDE the program itself) .
2. Drag the loop to an empty place in the track view and enable Clip Looping after
Sonar creates a track for it, and drag it out to taste.
3.Bob's your Uncle.
(also, I am relatively sure you can find a stock 12/8 loop within either of these and change the accent points at will.)
Hopefully this might save you some math.
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Re: Metronom accenting for 12/8 feel
2015/02/25 20:14:44
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I'd go for 4/4; 12/8 is basically four triplets every bar. But RobertB is right - create your own click/percussion track. I never use the metronome.
I agree. 4/4 with 8th triplets. That's how I do 12/8. If I need a metronome I make up an appropriate rhythm consisting of high-hat, snare and bass drum. Sometimes I add some synced delay. I hate the built-in metronome and don't ever use it. I never has the right "groove".
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