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Anybody could get the waves plugs well mapped with Act?

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Could Anybody  get the waves plugs well mapped with Act?
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Re: Anybody could get the waves plugs well mapped with Act? 2015/02/24 14:59:15 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby aixmusajo 2015/03/11 14:16:29
I had to go through each parameter to figure out what controlled what then assigned them to the knobs buttons on my vs100
 
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Re: Anybody could get the waves plugs well mapped with Act? 2015/02/24 16:23:58 (permalink)
Ok thanks Thornton!
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Re: Anybody could get the waves plugs well mapped with Act? 2015/02/24 18:04:21 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby aixmusajo 2015/03/11 14:16:51
I did ACT remap WAVES plugs (for the vs-700 channel strip layout) and it worked, but I haven't bought any new WAVES plugs in a while so I've haven't done any remapping lately or on new WAVES releases ... anyway my ACT remaps persist between Sonar upgrades so I did not have to think about that at all ...
 
now, X-Ray is a different story - WAVES doesn't support that ...
 
 
 
 

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Re: Anybody could get the waves plugs well mapped with Act? 2015/02/25 05:33:39 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby aixmusajo 2015/03/11 14:16:55
ACT mapping is technically association between automatable parameters and virtual (SONAR internal, global) controls. Control Surface plug-in does yet another mapping then, between these virtual controls and physical controls on your hardware.
 
For example, let say "Channel tools" "Mid Gain" is ACT mapped to "ACT Slider 3". Then some plug-in (ACT MIDI, Generic Surface, VS-xxx, APro, etc) maps "Encoder 8" on your device to "ACT Slider 3". In such case, your "Encoder 8" controls "Mid Gain" in "Channel tools" (when it has the focus).
 
That procedure is not plug-in specific. You can map any parameter, which appear in the list of "Automations" (click on "Automation Lanes" and try to add an automation for the VST to see the complete list). But you can not map parameters which are not exposed there (that means VST is not informing the DAW about them).
 
There was (most probably still are, I have not checked with Platinum yet) some bugs in SONAR which make the mapping difficult. On my site you can find workaround. As I have mentioned, the mapping is global and persistent. So it should be done only once.

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Re: Anybody could get the waves plugs well mapped with Act? 2015/02/25 13:28:02 (permalink)
Thanks!
Freeflybertl, how is VS 700 working in Sonar X3 and Platinium?
Can you map everything you want?
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Re: Anybody could get the waves plugs well mapped with Act? 2015/02/25 15:32:46 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby aixmusajo 2015/03/11 14:17:00
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Thanks!
Freeflybertl, how is VS 700 working in Sonar X3 and Platinium?
Can you map everything you want?



so far no difference noted between X3 and Platinum ...
 
you can map everything (using ACT) that is exposed to Sonar for automation i.e. map every module in the ProChannel to the channel strip control section - except 3 parameters in the new REmatrix SOLO, which are not exposed (yet) and I reported that w/ a problem report  ...
 
for details: http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/2513811
 
of course, you can also control all other plugs via ACT, but some 3rd party plugs (in the FX bin) have long lists of parameters and sleazy naming, so remapping those is still possible but you can't (at least i would not know how) change the name of the displayed parameter to something more meaningful ...
 

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Re: Anybody could get the waves plugs well mapped with Act? 2015/02/28 20:00:55 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby aixmusajo 2015/03/11 14:17:04
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Thanks!
Freeflybertl, how is VS 700 working in Sonar X3 and Platinium?
Can you map everything you want?




just realized that ACT mapping only works properly with VST2 plugs ... VST3 seems to get confused because the bypass button  is now parameter 0 according to the genericpluginparams.xml ...
 
I'm getting that problem in X3e as well as Platinum - double checked: VST2 maps fine, VST3 does not ...
 
anyone else's ACT not ACTing as supposed to???
 
edit: the bypass button I talk about is the one added by VST3 functionality to the plugin and I think not part of the WAVES original code...
post edited by FreeFlyBertl - 2015/03/01 05:10:35

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Re: Anybody could get the waves plugs well mapped with Act? 2015/03/01 04:48:17 (permalink)
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Thanks!
Freeflybertl, how is VS 700 working in Sonar X3 and Platinium?
Can you map everything you want?




just realized that ACT mapping only works properly with VST2 plugs ... VST3 seems to get confused because the bypass button is now parameter 0 according to the genericpluginparams.xml ...
 
I'm getting that problem in X3e as well as Platinum - double checked: VST2 maps fine, VST3 does not ...
 
anyone else's ACT not ACTing as supposed to???




Ok thanks a lot FreeFlyBertl
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Re: Anybody could get the waves plugs well mapped with Act? 2015/03/01 17:02:55 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby aixmusajo 2015/03/11 14:17:07
I can confirm, ACT mapping is broken for VST3. I have tested with Nektar Elements:
VST2 - map ok
VST3 - it either assign wrong parameter during mapping, or does not map at all (in attempt to map "Global bypass").
 
I have only one (free) Wave plug-in, and the mapping is clearly broken the same way.

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Re: Anybody could get the waves plugs well mapped with Act? 2015/03/02 01:25:58 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby aixmusajo 2015/03/11 14:17:11
Thanks. I will report this.
 
I think there should be temporary a workaround to manually edit the xml files  ... to me it looked like it got cofused by the numbering of the parameters ("global bypass" being #0) ... but need a little time to try

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Re: Anybody could get the waves plugs well mapped with Act? 2015/03/02 08:51:56 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby aixmusajo 2015/03/11 14:17:13

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Re: Anybody could get the waves plugs well mapped with Act? 2015/03/02 11:09:33 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby aixmusajo 2015/03/11 14:17:16
UPDATE: this applies only to WAVES plug-ins - I could successfully map FabFilter, David Bendeth, etc as VST3 !!!

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Re: Anybody could get the waves plugs well mapped with Act? 2015/03/02 11:23:50 (permalink)
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Hi FreeFlyBertl!
Can you explain what this means please?
Thanks a lot!
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Re: Anybody could get the waves plugs well mapped with Act? 2015/03/02 14:12:40 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby aixmusajo 2015/03/11 14:17:21
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Hi FreeFlyBertl!
Can you explain what this means please?
Thanks a lot!



I have officially reported this issue to Cakewalk (see also here) ... and when trying it again with the just installed Braintree version and BOZ VST3 plugs, I had to realize it is problem specific to WAVES VST3 only ....
 
So I send an email to WAVES as well - however, if it turns out that's indeed a WAVES issue and not an ACT/Cakewalk problem, then it'll cost me a lot of money to be "fixed" as I have just run out of WAVES upgrades/support for most of my WAVES plugs ... d**n ...

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Re: Anybody could get the waves plugs well mapped with Act? 2015/03/02 17:13:29 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby aixmusajo 2015/03/11 14:17:24
Hmm... I could reproduce it with iZotope Nektar elements. Is that also wave plug-in? Or do they have similar bug by "coincidence"?
Also for me, it case I just select "Global bypass" and one control in "ACT Learn" mode, after I press again "ACT Learn", it asks "One control and one parameter...", but "Ok" does not revert to normal mode ("ACT Learn" is still highlighted"). As I understand how all that works correctly, that process should not be influenced by VST at all. I mean, in case it is possible Automate some parameters, it should be possible ACT map it. The "magic" is happening in SONAR.

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Re: Anybody could get the waves plugs well mapped with Act? 2015/03/03 06:34:22 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby aixmusajo 2015/03/11 14:17:28
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Hmm... I could reproduce it with iZotope Nektar elements. Is that also wave plug-in? Or do they have similar bug by "coincidence"?
Also for me, it case I just select "Global bypass" and one control in "ACT Learn" mode, after I press again "ACT Learn", it asks "One control and one parameter...", but "Ok" does not revert to normal mode ("ACT Learn" is still highlighted"). As I understand how all that works correctly, that process should not be influenced by VST at all. I mean, in case it is possible Automate some parameters, it should be possible ACT map it. The "magic" is happening in SONAR.




Hi Az,
Thanks for getting onto this. I don't have iZotope (but I'm sure Cakewalk support has it!) ... so it's good you spotted that, especially as all other VST3 I have surprisingly worked. I'll add your info to the official bug report.
 
BTW, I have encountered the same oddity with the "ACT Learn" remaining active ...
 

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Re: Anybody could get the waves plugs well mapped with Act? 2015/03/03 15:56:37 (permalink)
Thanks Free!
Anybody tried to ununstal the waves in vst3 and reinstall them in vst2?
Did you have the same problem with sonar X2?
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Re: Anybody could get the waves plugs well mapped with Act? 2015/03/03 16:26:29 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby aixmusajo 2015/03/11 14:17:32
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Thanks Free!
Anybody tried to ununstal the waves in vst3 and reinstall them in vst2?
Did you have the same problem with sonar X2?
Thanks!




No need to uninstall VST3 - you can have both VST3 and VST2 installed ... just disable the auto-hiding of VST2 if VST3 is available feature in Preferences/VST and switch plug-in layout to default and you cat try with WAVES VST2 ...
 
However, I have tried VST2 (see posts above) and VST2 works as regards ACT mapping... BUT be careful, WAVES officially supports only VST3 for Sonar (been reminded of that today by WAVES support) and there were issues with VST2 WAVES in X2/X3 (GUI related issues if I remember right) ...
 
 

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Re: Anybody could get the waves plugs well mapped with Act? 2015/03/04 07:53:44 (permalink)
Ok thanks Free! :)
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Re: Anybody could get the waves plugs well mapped with Act? 2015/03/14 06:13:51 (permalink)
Hi Guys!
I put sonar X2 Pro alone and can go every each parameter of the waves plugs...can map them without any problem..
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Re: Anybody could get the waves plugs well mapped with Act? 2015/03/15 08:27:07 (permalink)
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Hi Guys!
I put sonar X2 Pro alone and can go every each parameter of the waves plugs...can map them without any problem..


So I assume you are using VST2 ??? I think VST3 was not supported back in X2 ...
 
Well, last time I tried (2 weeks agon in X3e) I could map everything in VST2 and VST3 doesn't work ... see also
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com...ctioning-m3184115.aspx
 
 
 
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Re: Anybody could get the waves plugs well mapped with Act? 2015/03/16 12:16:24 (permalink)
...waves plugs work well in X2 without any problem...
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Re: Anybody could get the waves plugs well mapped with Act? 2015/03/19 07:18:31 (permalink)
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...waves plugs work well in X2 without any problem...




i think we know that by now ;-)
 
trouble is that WAVES VST3 cannot be mapped correctly in Sonar X3e / Sonar Platinum... and also have problems if used in FX chains ...
 
WAVES only officially supports VST3 for Sonar X3e / Sonar Platinum ...
http://www.waves.com/support/tech-specs/supported-hosts
 
yet WAVES claims they cannot reproduce (which is what they replied to the support ticket I opened with WAVES) but I think they just don't understand these Sonar features well enough to get the point ...
 
... and I can't be sure if it's really WAVES fault because other plugs have been mentioned which show the same issues when used as VST3 (http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3184431) ...
 

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Re: Anybody could get the waves plugs well mapped with Act? 2015/03/19 12:57:14 (permalink)
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However, I have tried VST2 (see posts above) and VST2 works as regards ACT mapping... BUT be careful, WAVES officially supports only VST3 for Sonar (been reminded of that today by WAVES support) and there were issues with VST2 WAVES in X2/X3 (GUI related issues if I remember right) ...
 
 


 ...I thought you had issues with waves under X2...
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