License a notation editor

I know re-doing notation doesn't seem to be high on Cakewalks list of priorities, but there might be another way to solve this problem. If a notation editor was licensed or the software was bought, Cakewalk could integrate this into Sonar without having to redo everything from the ground up or worry about breaking code. All you'd need is the ability to pass midi info to and from the notation editor in a similar way to rewire, but with better integration. For example, when you add a staff in the notation editor a midi track appears in Sonar. That midi track can then be linked to a VST. Then the midi would come from the notation program and play through the VST in sonar. Also allow a fast bounce of all the midi from the notation editor to Sonar, so that after we are done composing we can close the editor to free resources. Sonar should also be able to send midi files to the notation program quickly, so that something played into Sonar can be turned into notation easily. This would be useful to song writers as they could play a piano part and sing in their parts. Using melodyne they could extract midi from their voice and then use that voice and piano midi data to make sheet music quickly and easily. The same could be done with other types of music too, but that was a simple example.
 
These 3 programs would all seem to fit the bill
http://www.sionsoft.com/qse2lit.html  Quickscore elite
http://sonicscores.com/products/overture/ Overture 4
http://www.notation.com/NotationComposer.php Notation composer
 
Of course buying Finale or Sibalius is out of the question, but these 3 programs seem to have features like midi CC editing and midi score import that people want. Since they aren't owned by big companies they might be willing to sell the software or at least license it for a reasonable fee. These aren't the prettiest notation programs, but they all seem to work correctly. If Cakewalk could get these working in the way I outlined above I think a lot of people would stop complaining and many people would switch to Sonar from other DAWs. Since melodyne was integrated seamlessly with Sonar I don't think it is far fetched to do the same thing with a notation program.

Maybe just fixing rewire with midi support would be sufficient to rewire a notation client into Sonar.
 
I read people rewire Sibelius into Reaper. Even Sibelius First can do this as I understand.
 
I looked at Notion a year or so ago - and talked to them. They did not even understand what I was talking about - all focused on rewire audio. Really odd.
 
But Presonus buying Notion probably mean some integration in StudioOne.

Integrating Melodyne is relatively trivial compared to integrating an external notation engine. Changing it to work as a Region effect would have been relatively straightforward as Melodyne was already designed to be used as a plugin and can use the usual methods to exchange data - monitoring one audio stream on the way in, outputting a new audio stream on the way out, and providing a drag-and-drop way to create MIDI files (the same as EZPlayer does, and maybe even the integrated browser). What Melodyne isn't doing is altering your project itself or creating new data within it, which is what a notation editor would need to do.
 
But what would definitely be feasible is to have a plugin which is basically a notation editor that provides a MIDI output which can be routed into whichever VSTi you want. Think something like EZPlayer, except that instead of a browser of drum loops that get routed to a drum synth, it's got a staff and editing tools, and you route the output to Symphonic Orchestra (or whatever you like).

Thinking about this some more, this would seem to be a SONAR limitation. If importing a Rewire Instrument (in this case, NOTION) allowed selection of the same "Enable MIDI Out" option that is available for VSTi, I believe a user should be able to edit in NOTION (or whatever) directly to a MIDI track in SONAR, audition using the VSTi of their choice, etc etc. The capability governing MIDI in and out between SONAR and Notion is working, but it's insufficient to do what is necessary to enable meaningful staff editing in SONAR with a rewire application. Don't know if someone from Cake (Noel?) might see this and care to comment?>

Kylotan
 What Melodyne isn't doing is altering your project itself or creating new data within it, which is what a notation editor would need to do.
 
But what would definitely be feasible is to have a plugin which is basically a notation editor that provides a MIDI output which can be routed into whichever VSTi you want. Think something like EZPlayer, except that instead of a browser of drum loops that get routed to a drum synth, it's got a staff and editing tools, and you route the output to Symphonic Orchestra (or whatever you like).

Brando
Yes I agree Kylotan - I bought Notion and Progression and have tried rewiring them in SONAR. Kludged solution at best. Maybe the Rewire spec allows for MIDI out from a rewired application like it would from a VST/VSTi and it's just not implemented by either Presonus/Notion or Cakewalk. Dunno. To me what would be PERFECT would be to have Notion or Progression available as a VSTi within SONAR. Enable MIDI out, avoid all the instrument crap within Notion, and use the instruments of my choice within SONAR. Instead, you have to load the VSTi into Notion, which negates any advantage of having it rewired in the first place. I tend to use either Notion or Progression standalone these days and use them exclusively when I need to see something notated.
Big +1

 
This is what I stated above. The notation program doesn't have to write data directly to Sonar, it only has to send midi data and have Sonar play it, just like any other midi controller. It would work in the same way as rewire, but of course it would be easier to use and have extra features. The reason I choose the editors above is because you can edit things like midi CC data within the program, so you wouldn't have to write anything to Sonar. If it were integrated in Sonar, you'd be able to do things like fast bounces and automatic midi track creation, which would save a lot of time and avoid potential pitfalls that could come along with just passing midi. All notation programs play midi and Sonar can receive midi, so it shouldn't be that hard to route the midi stream into a Sonar midi track. Just that by itself solves 90% of the problems people have with notation in Sonar. Of course I'd like a great native Sonar notation editor, but at this point we can't even get fixes. This seems like the fastest and easiest way to solve people's problems.

Good ideas.   The notation stuff in Sonar has always been so embarrassingly bad I avoid even opening a staff window.   Just am resigned to using Finale, Sibelius, or Score as completely independent work flow from Sonar.  

took a look around.
Is writing music a thing of the past? Even the big names (looking atcha Mr. S.Ibelius) have outdated specs and issues with syncing. You'd think that nowadays you'd have a notation package that supported 48Khz playback, or 64 bit rewire. I'd love to have a ready out of the box solution to use alongside Sonar when I do, for example, string quartet to go with a pop tune. I find it silly to have to write it out on paper and then inputting it via midi one track at a time. Also I'd probably kill to see dynamics markings and keyswitches (staccato, pizzicato, etc) customization made easy. Having different tracks for the different articulations in this day and age bothers me more than it should :)