Re: Up next for members - coming in february 2015
2015/02/26 22:44:52
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Kamikaze
What's up with Antartica?
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Re: Up next for members - coming in february 2015
2015/02/26 22:47:21
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Godling
Do metronomes come in metric?
"metr" is the clue.
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Re: Up next for members - coming in february 2015
2015/02/26 22:49:25
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rivers88
Dang, must be something wrong with my browser -
I came here thinking this thread was a discussion about upcoming membership features for Sonar... 
How could you possibly think any thread is still on topic after the second page?
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Re: Up next for members - coming in february 2015
2015/02/26 22:54:43
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Godling
Do metronomes come in metric?
No. Because then they'd be metricgnomes.
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Re: Up next for members - coming in february 2015
2015/02/27 03:37:09
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Godling
Do metronomes come in metric?
No. Because then they'd be metricgnomes.
And they all come from Zurich
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Re: Up next for members - coming in february 2015
2015/02/27 04:45:59
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What's up with Antartica?
It's stuck in the Myanmar Ages.
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Re: Up next for members - coming in february 2015
2015/02/27 05:30:23
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Kamikaze
I am not sure that Britain should be entirely green in that picture. All the road signs are still in miles. Food etc., seems to be available in both - e.g. four pints of milk or two litres. We seem to use both all the time. Hospitals may weigh us in kilos, but have a conversion chart to tell us in stone. If you ask anyone their height, they will answer in feet, not cm. Perhaps we should be a pale shade of green in that chart, or a grey/green..
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Re: Up next for members - coming in february 2015
2015/02/27 06:10:31
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☄ Helpfulby dubdisciple 2015/02/27 14:51:27
Personally I think we should all go back to Hectares, Cubits, Shekels, and Furlongs! 
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Re: Up next for members - coming in february 2015
2015/02/27 06:40:50
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Well, we're all musicians (a slight exaggeration of my own abilities there ...), and nobody uses 10 beats to the bar, its usually 2, 4, 6, 8, 12 of quarter or eight notes. Irish slip-jigs go to 9/8 time, but that's just a jig in waltz time, sort of. Maybe Dave Brubeck and Roger Waters can stretch music maths to 5 or 7; but that's the exception.
An old mate of mine once compared metric and imperial units: "A pint of water weighs a pound and a quarter .. there - it even rhymes"
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Re: Up next for members - coming in february 2015
2015/02/27 07:25:13
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The February update to SONAR will include a procedure to accurately measure snow fall in meters with a slick conversion algorithm to convert to centimeters....
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Re: Up next for members - coming in february 2015
2015/02/27 11:17:39
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Paul P
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That is because in the metric system you don't typically write fractions as 1/2, 1/4 etc, but as decimal fractions like 0.5, 0.25 etc. So woodworkers that use the metric system will simply use decimal fractions of m, cm and mm.
You quickly get into unwieldy decimals which you can't do anything with intuitively. It's like looking at a clock with hands or a clock with digits. Imperial you can do with your eyes (fractions) and in your head, metric you need a calculator.
And with a 12" foot, as Bristol Jonesey points out, you can quickly divide into quarters, thirds, halves, sixths by eye. Try doing that with 10 or 30 cm. Quarters: 2.5 and 7.5 cm Thirds: 3.33 cm and 10 cm Halves: 5 and 15 cm Sixths (why?): 1.7 and 5 cm With the US system, the few times you do get lucky where it is easy to convert is far outweighed by the many issues with its unit conversions in general. Also, you only converted a full unit of foot or inch. Try to convert something like 7 5/8" into quarters, thirds, halves, sixths by eye. It gets equally unwieldy. With the metric system, there is just one unit of length: meter. Based on that you get km, cm, mm, nm etc. All are very easily converted from one into the other by simply moving the decimal point. There is a reason that the metric system is used in science. As an example, we all know how seconds and ms relate wrt to latency. Can you imagine if instead we used some unrelated units for time ranges less that one second? It would be much more difficult. And to keep the post on topic, I'd like to suggest that Sonar move to the metric system
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Re: Up next for members - coming in february 2015
2015/02/27 11:26:50
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Well, we're all musicians (a slight exaggeration of my own abilities there ...), and nobody uses 10 beats to the bar, its usually 2, 4, 6, 8, 12 of quarter or eight notes. Irish slip-jigs go to 9/8 time, but that's just a jig in waltz time, sort of. Maybe Dave Brubeck and Roger Waters can stretch music maths to 5 or 7; but that's the exception.
But that doesn't have anything to do with the imperial vs metric system. You are simply using the decimal system to describe something that falls on specific intervals.
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Re: Up next for members - coming in february 2015
2015/02/27 11:39:35
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Paul P
...I appreciate inches being divisible into halfs, quarters, eighths, sixteenths, etc. ...I tried going metric but it's really weird in this context. Whoever invented the metric system wasn't a woodworker.
Or a musician! It just wouldn't seem right if we had to change 1/2, 1/4, 1/8, 1/16, etc. notes to 0.5, 0.25, 0.125, 0.0625 notes... Walt
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Re: Up next for members - coming in february 2015
2015/02/27 12:12:13
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Paul P
...I appreciate inches being divisible into halfs, quarters, eighths, sixteenths, etc. ...I tried going metric but it's really weird in this context. Whoever invented the metric system wasn't a woodworker.
Or a musician! It just wouldn't seem right if we had to change 1/2, 1/4, 1/8, 1/16, etc. notes to 0.5, 0.25, 0.125, 0.0625 notes...
Walt That also doesn't have anything to do with imperial vs metric system. In you example, you are simply showing the difference between the decimal and fraction representation of numbers. In both the imperial and metric system you can display a number in either format. Where did the idea came from that you can't use fraction representation in the metric system?
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Re: Up next for members - coming in february 2015
2015/02/27 12:14:05
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Personally I think we should all go back to Hectares, Cubits, Shekels, and Furlongs!
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Re: Up next for members - coming in february 2015
2015/02/27 12:24:16
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Where did the idea came from that you can't use fraction representation in the metric system?
But why would you ? What point is there to imagine 1/3 of 100mm ? Yards, feet and inches with their fractions are chunks with certain properies that can be useful in one's work. Metric only supports relations based on 10. It's very easy to divide a measurement by 10 in the metric system, much easier than imperial, but only for 10 and it's multiples. Imperial has built in 2,3,4,6,8,12,16,32,... There is probably a reason why the imperial system came about in the form it did. It was useful for people without calculators.
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Re: Up next for members - coming in february 2015
2015/02/27 12:35:54
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Metric is a beautiful thing - that hurts my brain. :)
Circling back to the premise of the thread, I DO hope for some kind of content thing for February, as there is not much left in the way of February for such a thing to take place. I am rooting for content, or a video, or a coupon, or a coffee mug, or a coffee mug, or a new feature, or a coffee mug.
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Re: Up next for members - coming in february 2015
2015/02/27 12:48:06
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jerrydfIrish slip-jigs go to 9/8 time, but that's just a jig in waltz time British slip jigs I think you mean (they are found in England and Scotland as well, the traditional music borders of the three countries have always been very porous with the differences amounting at least as much to style as content) :-) Not remotely like waltzes either, As for none-even number based time signatures, 7/8 and similar are found in eastern European traditional music and Asian and African time signatures can be very varied (if they easily fit into the western European time signatures at all).
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Re: Up next for members - coming in february 2015
2015/02/27 12:50:34
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Paul P
...I appreciate inches being divisible into halfs, quarters, eighths, sixteenths, etc. ...I tried going metric but it's really weird in this context. Whoever invented the metric system wasn't a woodworker.
Or a musician! It just wouldn't seem right if we had to change 1/2, 1/4, 1/8, 1/16, etc. notes to 0.5, 0.25, 0.125, 0.0625 notes...
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Re: Up next for members - coming in february 2015
2015/02/27 13:02:06
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Metric is a beautiful thing - that hurts my brain :-)
Being born in 1961 the switch to metric currency and the increasing use of metric measurement systems cut across my junior school years. The result is I can largely think in both, but prefer thousandths of an inch to fractions of a millimetre for small distances and miles to kilometres for long ones. Anyway, the US currency is metric and always has been. What I can't get my head around is a pint that contains other than 20 fluid ounces. When anyone from the US talks in terms of pints, quarts or gallons my internal measurement conversion system has a tendency to freeze. And yes, I am aware that the US fluid pint is the pre-1800s British pint. :-)
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Re: Up next for members - coming in february 2015
2015/02/27 13:24:50
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Paul P
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Where did the idea came from that you can't use fraction representation in the metric system?
But why would you ? What point is there to imagine 1/3 of 100mm ?
Yards, feet and inches with their fractions are chunks with certain properies that can be useful in one's work. Metric only supports relations based on 10. It's very easy to divide a measurement by 10 in the metric system, much easier than imperial, but only for 10 and it's multiples. Imperial has built in 2,3,4,6,8,12,16,32,...
There is probably a reason why the imperial system came about in the form it did. It was useful for people without calculators. Your point is only valid if you always start out with lengths that are exact multiples of inches or feet. In reality most measurements aren't, so your 2,3,4,6,8,12,16,32 argument doesn't hold up. As I mentioned previously, how do you divide 7 5/8" into 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 12, 16, 32? Also, you are only talking about just two units here, feet and inch. You haven't addressed conversions between other units like yards, miles, nautical miles, chains, fathoms, cables, links, rods, furloughs, leagues, points, picas, acres, sections, survey townships, short tons, long tons, knots, teaspoons, tablespoons, dessertspoons, minims, fluid drams, shots, gills, cups, pints, quarts, gallons, pecks, bushels, fluid ounces, fluid scruples, fluid drachms, troy ounces, troy pounds, grains, pounds, pennyweights, stones, hundredweights, horsepower, slugs, rack units, barrels and hogsheads. In the metric system, all of those different units are reduced to simply meter, kilogram, watt, liter.
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Re: Up next for members - coming in february 2015
2015/02/27 14:09:30
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jerrydfIrish slip-jigs go to 9/8 time, but that's just a jig in waltz time
British slip jigs I think you mean (they are found in England and Scotland as well, the traditional music borders of the three countries have always been very porous with the differences amounting at least as much to style as content) :-)
Interesting. I wonder how this relates to Aksak from Turkey and the Bulgarian 'limping' dances explored by Bartok. Also 9/8.
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Re: Up next for members - coming in february 2015
2015/02/27 14:15:41
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Your point is only valid if you always start out with lengths that are exact multiples of inches or feet.
Exactly. But that's what you do when you woodwork. You purposefully build things whose dimensions are in feet or inches and then, having done that, you can do neat things like dividing the dimensions up into 2, 3 ,4 or whatever parts.
Also, you are only talking about just two units here, feet and inch.
I did say I was talking about woodworking. But I have a hunch the other weird measurements of the imperial system also have there roots in real 'organic' practice.
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Re: Up next for members - coming in february 2015
2015/02/27 14:19:22
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☄ Helpfulby Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk] 2015/02/27 14:24:25
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Re: Up next for members - coming in february 2015
2015/02/27 14:23:30
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Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk]
While you were busy discussing metric system, we posted the new release:
http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/SONAR/Whats-New
I find that discussing the metric system always has this end result, so you guys can thank me now 
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Re: Up next for members - coming in february 2015
2015/02/27 14:31:53
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Your point is only valid if you always start out with lengths that are exact multiples of inches or feet.
Exactly. But that's what you do when you woodwork. You purposefully build things whose dimensions are in feet or inches and then, having done that, you can do neat things like dividing the dimensions up into 2, 3 ,4 or whatever parts.
Also, you are only talking about just two units here, feet and inch.
I did say I was talking about woodworking. But I have a hunch the other weird measurements of the imperial system also have there roots in real 'organic' practice.
I know you are probably not talking about construction, but what do people do with the fact that a 2x4 isn't really 2" by 4"? Most wood you buy won't start off with exact-to-the-inch dimensions anyway, so right there you have to pull out the calculator. Are you saying you don't ever have to use a calculator?
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Re: Up next for members - coming in february 2015
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""""Pulses Per Quarter Note, also known as PPQ, Pulses Per Quarter) is the smallest unit of time used for sequencing note and automation events, both by step sequencers and in the MIDI standard. Most MIDI sequencers allow the number of PPQ to be varied for more or less temporal resolution depending on the needs of the performer. If there are too few PPQ any performance recorded into the MIDI sequencer may sound artificial (being quantised by the Pulse rate) or lose subtle variations in timing that gives music a 'human' feeling. Generally 96 PPQ is sufficient to capture enough temporal variation. However, some musicians like to work with PPQs around 960 or more. PPQ is a relative measure of time since it is the tempo of the MIDI sequence, set in Beats Per Minute BPM, that defines the length of a quarter note (in seconds) and so the duration of 1 Pulse (or 'tick' as it is sometimes known to programmers). """" Yeah! Take that you metric system you!
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Re: Up next for members - coming in february 2015
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Pulses Per Quarter Note, also known as PPQ, Pulses Per Quarter) is the smallest unit of time used for sequencing note and automation events, both by step sequencers and in the MIDI standard. Most MIDI sequencers allow the number of PPQ to be varied for more or less temporal resolution depending on the needs of the performer.
If there are too few PPQ any performance recorded into the MIDI sequencer may sound artificial (being quantised by the Pulse rate) or lose subtle variations in timing that gives music a 'human' feeling. Generally 96 PPQ is sufficient to capture enough temporal variation. However, some musicians like to work with PPQs around 960 or more.
PPQ is a relative measure of time since it is the tempo of the MIDI sequence, set in Beats Per Minute BPM, that defines the length of a quarter note (in seconds) and so the duration of 1 Pulse (or 'tick' as it is sometimes known to programmers).
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Yeah! Take that you metric system you!
Once again, how does this relate to either the metric or imperial system? It only relates to the decimal system. I'm still confused as to where people got the idea from that the metric system can't work with either fractions or multiples like 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14... Or that any of it is actually related to the imperial system to begin with. I mean, is anyone under the impression that something per quarter something somehow excluses the metric system? EDIT: Heh, it reminds me a bit about the fact that many people think that if you leave the earth's atmosphere, you suddenly become weightless. IOW, there is no connection between the 2 concepts.
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Re: Up next for members - coming in february 2015
2015/02/27 15:21:45
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pls change title as the Feb release is out and this is really an OT thread now.
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Re: Up next for members - coming in february 2015
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2015/02/27 15:44:06
bapu
pls change title as the Feb release is out and this is really an OT thread now.
How can this be OT? Sonar secretly uses the metric system internally, and I heard rumors that a future version will surface this to the UI at some point. All your songs would be converted on the fly when opened, so this is very relevant.
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