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2015/03/02 19:49:34 (permalink)

And for my Canadian friends...

I recently posted a bunch of links for deals on Gibson SGs in the US.
 
Earlier today, I stumbled upon some incredible bargain back in Canada - Future Shop has, among others SG 50's Tribute (2 P-90s) going for $399 and SGJ (2 '61 Zebras) for $499.
 
Those are better prices than what I usually see down here in the States.
 
First time I almost wish I could be on the other side of the border for a few hours.
 
If it's at all an option, I'd try before buying, as quality control isn't Gibson's biggest strength - I still feel bad for the few issues Julien encountered buying a SG after I posted that other deal... 
 
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Re: And for my Canadian friends... 2015/03/03 02:46:20 (permalink)
Yes, and you can buy a Gibson at Best Buy as well. It feels so strange to see this little area off to the side, that's got a bunch of Gibson, Fender and Yamaha guitars and amps. No one looks at them even though the prices are really cheap. They must assume that they're sub standard. I did notice that all of them needed a lot of set up work.

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Re: And for my Canadian friends... 2015/03/03 10:56:03 (permalink)
Pick one up and tell the guy in the blue shirt that you're having trouble connecting it via Wi-Fi. That should provide some entertainment for awhile. 
 
Is it bad that the experience might cause you to fondly remember the quality of service at Guitar Center?
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Re: And for my Canadian friends... 2015/03/03 14:08:11 (permalink)
Thanks, Rain. These are a Gibby's or Epi's?
 
I am obviously stone broke at the moment but you know I've been scoping for good deals on useable guits and SG's were a staple of mine for years (Epi and Gibson). The slim necks are perfect for me even though I have big hands (do not like the obese Les Paul necks... that extra meat inhibits the bizzarro hand twisting I do... every millimeter counts in my world). They are sooper light which means they aren't breaking my twisted spine as much as other axes (which means I can play longer) and of course they sound good if loaded with proper Gibson stock electronics (and wood). 
 
Epi's for years had massive quality control issues once they became more affordable/mass produced/marketed but definitely if you got to play, test and choose which one you were dragging home you could essentially end up with a guitar that was the equivalent to a Gibson going for three times the price. Just snagging one sight unseen (or unplayed/unheard) could end up in something that was almost a toy guitar. Very odd but considering the price the extra effort certainly pays off.
 
I've always considered Gibson's to be a sure bet with much better quality control, as in if it is a true Gibson, has been stored/maintained correctly and not completely abused you are going to get exactly what you expect no matter the date or model.
 
That may be changing though as Gibson really is doing some heavy branding and mass marketing. I would not expect a $400 Gibson SG to be up to that standard. Heck... I'd be suspicious of a $600-700 one. $800+ seems to be the right range for an SG (which are generaly the least expensive of the well known models, LP's starting, not including studio lites or juniors or whatever, at $1200, V's $1200, ES type $1400, etc).
 
Still if they are indeed allowing quality control to slip a bit for sake of mass production BUT still using the same components then I'll definitely hobble my arse over to whatever corporate whorehole outlet to take advantage.
 
I'd be coming armed with my Allen keys, screwdrivers, tuner and maybe even a set of .11 strings to properly set up any contenders right in the store before walking away though and maybe even drag my lappy, interface and cans in to give the tone a critical listen.
 
There is however an L&M's outlet around here now so I bet they'd be trying to compete with the box stores, have their guits set up better and be more able/willing to let me do some proper tests without calling security. lol
 
Anyway... thanks for the tip. Our dollar is going crazy up here right now too so that may or may not allow for extra gaming of prices... not that I can really do anything about it right now but if things stay as they are and the music shops don't overcompensate some deals could be had until the exchange rates settle down or retailers get a chance to adjust their prices.
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Re: And for my Canadian friends... 2015/03/03 15:36:00 (permalink)
They're Gibson Beep. :)
 
My axe of choice these days is a 2013 SGJ - cost me $500. Ordered from Sweetwater, and I'm guessing that their 55 points check up had much to do with the fact that the guitar was great right out of the case. I lowered the action a tad and that was it.
 
A month later, I had my luthier check it up and verify the neck - there's a major climate difference between Indiana and Nevada. And that's it. It's been my No 1 since.
 
But I've seen some over at Guitar Center that weren't in such a great shape - as it's often the case w/ GC guitars, anyway. 
 
Obviously, Gibson can't sell you an instrument for $500 w/o cutting some corners. The SGJ has no neck binding, quick connect electronics (which limits your options if you want to throw in new pick ups unless you are ready to redo all the electronics), and a very basic finish - porous fretboard, and a finish that seems to vanish under my hands.
 
Here's a recent shot - I've had my SGJ for 15 months now and played it in the studio only. I take great care. Some of the damage is hidden by the pickguard I've added.
 

 
 
For me, Quick Connect is a bonus. You wouldn't want me anywhere near a soldering iron, trust me. Plus, though it restricts options, it also makes it easy to switch back and forth between pick ups.
 
The neck on this guitar is PHENOMENAL. Bigger than your average SG, though not as big as the old Les Paul's neck. The satin finish is as smooth as it gets. Mechanically speaking, this neck is the path of least resistance between me and my music. Which is funny, because prior to that, the neck has always been the one thing that kept me from liking SG's. They just felt too frail for this big guy.
 
I know many folks who own big SG's and yet rave about those SGJ - provided that you pick a good one, and have it properly set up.
 
And unlike Epiphones, which can be absolutely fine ( I own a bunch of them and love them all), the Gibson logo on the headstock "guarantees" you that your guitar retains a certain value. You could take an Epi and customize it to no end, putting hundreds of $ in it - at the end of the day, if you need or want to resell it, you won't get much for it, no matter if it's 10 times better than more expensive guitars.
 
If I could, I'd probably grab one of those Tribute models. But I'm saving $ for my Marshall - and then maybe someday I'll get a Standard or that Derek Truck's signature model... :P In the meantime, I can always switch pick ups. 

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Re: And for my Canadian friends... 2015/03/03 16:28:23 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Rain 2015/03/03 17:04:29
I seem to have to opposite problem in regards to biological corrosion... as in I tend to leave a fine (or not so fine) layer of Beeps wax on my guits over time. Every time I change my strings I actually scrape off the finger goop from the fingerboard with the edge of a pick, give it a very light cleaning with white vinegar to cut into the buildup a bit (and lightly touch the body as well to remove any buildup from the gloss finish) then a VERY light polish with wood polish. I'd even do this with non glossy finish guit bodies too to keep the finish even.
 
After I do that my guits play sooooper fast and crisp for months on end.
 
The only real corrosion was due to dripping sweat in tiny club gigs and that was mostly to the strings. Even then there was more of a waxiness than corrosion and really the only serious corrosion happened when putting guitars away "wet" and not pulling them out again for a long time. I can make strings last forever aside from dullness due to the build up. Now that I don't gig anymore there is very little sweat involved even in the middle of summer and I wash my hands obsessively before touching my instruments.
 
Kind of gross to think about but I guess any guit I play for a long time gets my own special seasoning.
 
As far as electronics... if I get a Gibby with proper Gibby goodies it's stayin' put unless there is some kind of mechanical breakdown. I love their chromes, I love their P-90's and I even like their more modern pickups (but would not go out of my way to buy a guit with those).
 
Now modding out good playing budget axes is another matter altogether. My Pacifica that has been Hot Strat modded is freaking golden. It would not be nearly as nice without those pickups/push pot schemes. Total score. I just want to replace the nut (which is plastic and a little low for my needs) and it would trounce guits costing three times as much.
 
The only way I've been able to sustain as a musician really is on being willing to use supposedly "crap" gear. If it sounds and plays good I'll rip that bugger up. I did get made fun of sometimes by some guit hounds but that just made me play harder to show what my dime store axes could do.
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Re: And for my Canadian friends... 2015/03/03 17:02:31 (permalink)
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I seem to have to opposite problem in regards to biological corrosion... as in I tend to leave a fine (or not so fine) layer of Beeps wax on my guits over time. 




Oh, I do that as well - you should see what's left in the bridge around the saddles when I remove strings... 

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Re: And for my Canadian friends... 2015/03/03 17:54:38 (permalink)
I get a LOT of "Tortex" dust build up more than anything else these days. I wonder how toxic that crap is to breathe in.
 
Only picks I can use though. Everything else either breaks strings or explodes in my hands... literally. Fender picks shatter almost immediately when I use them. Dunny nylon picks burr and yank on the strings until they break at the saddle.
 
Very annoying.
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Re: And for my Canadian friends... 2015/03/04 12:09:06 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Rain 2015/03/04 15:21:19
Rain
I recently posted a bunch of links for deals on Gibson SGs in the US.
 
Earlier today, I stumbled upon some incredible bargain back in Canada - Future Shop has, among others SG 50's Tribute (2 P-90s) going for $399 and SGJ (2 '61 Zebras) for $499.
 
Those are better prices than what I usually see down here in the States.
 
First time I almost wish I could be on the other side of the border for a few hours.
 
If it's at all an option, I'd try before buying, as quality control isn't Gibson's biggest strength - I still feel bad for the few issues Julien encountered buying a SG after I posted that other deal... 
 


Hey, don't feel bad! It is a nice guitar. I'm still trying to get the feel for it but it stays in tune now and sounds great. I'm glad I got it. It requires a light touch, maybe because of the extra frets, I dunno but I'm heavy handed. I have to learn to not press so hard on the strings when I play it... but that could turn out to be a really good thing for my as I'm starting to get arthritis in my fingers, so if I can learn to play with a lighter touch (you hardly have to use your thumb on chords with this thing) it may keep me playing in comfort.
Nah... I've wanted an SG for years, and was happy to see the sale, still am. No worries! Really.
 
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Re: And for my Canadian friends... 2015/03/04 15:26:05 (permalink)
Thanks, Julien.
 
That's good to know because a friend/ex-bandmate of mine just bought a 50's Tribute after I shared the info with him. I'm crossing fingers that he'll love it. 
 
Gibson should hire me - heck, I almost convinced myself that I needed that black 50's Tribute. $399, man...

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Re: And for my Canadian friends... 2015/03/04 17:09:20 (permalink)
You do... at 399!

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Re: And for my Canadian friends... 2015/03/04 17:14:50 (permalink)
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You do... at 399!




That $399 is going on the Marshall. I am that focused. I've even cleared a spot for it in the studio. My wife will soon forbid me to even utter the word "Marshall" I'm sure... :P 

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