P-Theory
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Anyone else having problems with the 64Bit engine?
Since moving to Platinum I'm having big problems with the 64Bit engine. I have never turned on the 64 bit double precision floating engine back on after having to turn it off after the issues that were introduced with X3 but I do normally turn on the 64bit engine tick box when I am doing a bounce out.
When I do this I get a few seconds of audio a long bleep and then the rest of the WAV is rendered as silence. Been a problem ever since upgrading to platinum.
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Splat 
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Re: Anyone else having problems with the 64Bit engine?
2015/03/03 22:05:36
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I haven't tried it with the latest platinum braintree update. I have also experienced an issue with 64 bit precision engine when jumping to different positions in a project during playback (clicks/pops/dropouts) in platinum (not in X3E) meaning I have to turn it off. My advise is to update your audio interface firmware and drivers first and make sure you are on Braintree.
post edited by Splat - 2015/03/03 22:13:14
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Re: Anyone else having problems with the 64Bit engine?
2015/03/03 22:57:56
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Oh and another thing, cakewalk advised me to update my display drivers (sadly did not work in my case, probably won't work in yours but a good idea to rule it out as well).
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P-Theory
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Re: Anyone else having problems with the 64Bit engine?
2015/03/04 09:22:47
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Thanks all Drivers up to date but didn't work
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Re: Anyone else having problems with the 64Bit engine?
2015/03/04 10:59:19
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Just shut it off and leave it. There are a few power users that keep it turned off and they don't seem to be missing anything. My needs are very simple but I don't use that option because at one time it was suspected of causing instability for some systems. Haven't bothered with it since X1.
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Re: Anyone else having problems with the 64Bit engine?
2015/03/04 11:37:39
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Not much help perhaps, but I have the 64 bit engine active in Braintree and no problems with it so far...
It seems to be very system dependant whether it causes problems or not. Or at least, some people have problems with it while others don't. That's the trouble with PCs - there can be thousands of variables in haedware but it's still "a PC". Even two built from what are nominally the same component parts can't be certain of having e.g. exactly the same capacitors in the video card or absolutely identical motherboard circuits.
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Re: Anyone else having problems with the 64Bit engine?
2015/03/04 11:54:59
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I was just playing with this last night. The 64-bit when exporting is 3 times as slower than the 32-bit (leaving 64-bit unchecked) with no perceptible audio difference.
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Re: Anyone else having problems with the 64Bit engine?
2015/03/04 17:46:10
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Unfortunately the new update makes 64 bit precision worse if anything at my end.
Anybody have issues with precision engine and Saffire Pro 40 like I do?
Or Presonus 1818VSL like the OP ?
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P-Theory
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Re: Anyone else having problems with the 64Bit engine?
2015/03/05 06:10:24
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It definitely makes a difference in headroom to my ears and it seems daft to have to turn it off as it was one of Sonars major selling points that it was first to be wall to wall 64bit. Surely one of it's key selling points should be rock solid three releases later?
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Re: Anyone else having problems with the 64Bit engine?
2015/03/05 12:26:34
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P-Theory
It definitely makes a difference in headroom to my ears and it seems daft to have to turn it off as it was one of Sonars major selling points that it was first to be wall to wall 64bit. Surely one of it's key selling points should be rock solid three releases later?
32 bit floating point doesn't clip until you're more than +700 dBFS, so your definite difference in headroom is definitely imaginary. It is however technically quite true that 64 bit fp gives you more headroom, as the marketing claims.
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Re: Anyone else having problems with the 64Bit engine?
2015/03/05 15:46:11
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☄ Helpfulby P-Theory 2015/03/05 15:50:10
P, You would think that would be the case, but I've noticed that 64 bit, when checked, does weird things with exporting as well. It seems to be related to my soundcard in some way or another, but I can't put my finger on it. At higher latencies, (256 and up) it seems to be a little less likely to hang up on me, but that is no where near a hard and fast rule. Sometimes it will become erratic at less or more. Anyway, unchecking it almost always seems to help, so regardless of whether there is a benefit to it or not, I have found that a working audio file almost always beats silence.  But I think it is definitely something that they should just make right, or stop talking about it altogether. "our 64 bit, double precision engine never has worked correctly for a significant number of users, but you may find it a usable feature, even though it is debatable that it even has an audible advantage" doesn't sound as good as a feature on their advertising.
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Re: Anyone else having problems with the 64Bit engine?
2015/03/05 15:49:55
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I agree they need to sort it out, not sure if it is an illusion but my ears can hear a differnece especially on effects tails etc similar to the difference between 44.2k and 96K.
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Re: Anyone else having problems with the 64Bit engine?
2015/03/05 15:55:35
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P-Theory
I agree they need to sort it out, not sure if it is an illusion but my ears can hear a differnece especially on effects tails etc similar to the difference between 44.2k and 96K.
Yep.
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Re: Anyone else having problems with the 64Bit engine?
2015/03/05 15:55:36
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Re: Anyone else having problems with the 64Bit engine?
2015/03/05 19:42:22
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Just shut it off and leave it. There are a few power users that keep it turned off and they don't seem to be missing anything. My needs are very simple but I don't use that option because at one time it was suspected of causing instability for some systems. Haven't bothered with it since X1.
After several years of deliberation, I came to the conclusion that I really can't tell the difference. There might be some use cases that I don't encounter where it would matter, though I can't quite imagine what they would be. I can't tell the difference so profoundly, in fact, I have absolutely no idea what it's currently set to.
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Re: Anyone else having problems with the 64Bit engine?
2015/03/05 19:44:44
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Right, just checked. I currently have it switched off for both playback and export.
I'm tempted to do one of my occasional experiments with turning it back on, but I've really never noticed any difference.
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